It'llrun

Okay, but only Ford had to undergo 2 changes in the same season, after the season started. Nobody cared for the 1st race because a GM won, 2nd too, I think. After that, it was trouble because 7 of the top 10 were Fords and the closest GM was #3 in 8th. People were pissed and a rule change went into effect almost immediately. Between seasons, while I may not like it, I get it. GM was allowed to expand the car, which wasn't a RWD car anymore anyway, but that was prior to season start, or was it?

I wish they'd go back, essentially to the car rules of 1960... That would make for fun with technology of today... Of course, the companies would have to offer RWD cars for it, but I'd like that too, since I think they're typically better than FWD anyway. Plus, I miss the days of watching a car I could basically have bought from any dealership. Today, nothing like the race version except the 4 wheels.

justin455

So moral of the story - with enough money, great builders, and using well established performance engines as a base platform you can make a lot of power! Who knew?

2 solid pages of circle jerking brands and nothing has changed, everyone still has the same preferences. Shocker.

Irunelevens

I think the probable reason for the creation of this thread was because certain people refuse to acknowledge that the mod motors are, in fact, established performance engines.

assasinator

concerning that intake....the cobra 'r'....


it has 14" runners from horn to valve. it has a factory 7 degree taper. they modded it for this application im sure. it is simply the best intake available for torque and top end horsepower. you can get intakes with more peak power, but nothing with the average of a "R". there is more then helmoltz tuning here.(short runner). flow coefficients etc.

if the really wanted to get exotic, they could have made and intake to use first order helmholtz waves. ie 35" long runners. lol.

justin455

Anyone that thinks otherwise has their head up their own ***. Even 2v can make decent power with boost. 4v have been on a back and forth with LS engines ever since they came out. Bias is one thing, ignorance is another. LS and mod motors both kick ***.

It'llrun

That's big power for N/A(nearly doubled stock) and I would've expected a longer runner intake to be used, or something more open, but I guess Ford got that thing pretty much right. I'm now finding it quite humorous that so many who constantly say mod motors can't make power without forced induction are staying out of this.

Irunelevens

SSCamaro99_3

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May 17, 1995 - THunderbird/Grand Prixs are allowed to lower the airdam from 4in to 3.75 in, and raise the spoiler from 5.75 to 6 after a wind tunnel test. Monte Carlo's go unchanged. I believe this happened a couple times in season.

Point I am driving at, is that Ford got help just as Chevy did from time to time.

It'llrun

Yes, I know and it's true, but some of the things "against" Ford over the years have been rather drastic, like banning the engine before it ever made a race because it made too much power and Bill France Sr. himself went to see it, but allowed the 426 HEMI back into NASCAR the following year while still saying no to Ford.

JD_AMG

Ah so its only nonsense when it makes the ford engine look bad? Oh ok...
The same could be said for the DOHC Mod motor.

Who thinks the mod motors are not performance engines??? Sure they wont stack up to GM stuff, but thats doesn't make them not performance engines

They're probably too busy not caring that a $60,000+ engine only makes 800hp...

WE TODD DID

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This thread is full of ignorance. Keep the laughs coming guys.

assasinator

i see your point. the other engines in the engine masters were off the shelf parts and no money in them at all. $600.00 lq9.

JD_AMG

assasinator

lol you ******* loser. get a life.

assasinator

so the motor didnt cost 60,000. he bought parts off the classifieds at the corral.


gt500 block, gt500/GT heads. hardly $60,000.00

it did have a bryant crank. other stuuf, so it wasnt free. but not 60k.

It'llrun

I wasn't going to get into it... Clearly, he used several things that weren't brand new and probably had no more than about 15k into the engine itself. Could've been more, but not much more realistically. The pay for his guys was surely more overall.

HioSSilver

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Is this a better angle for ya?

The ls is a 427 LS7......the ford is of course a 4.6.....or 281 for you non liter guys.



How bout this angle?

Irunelevens

Still taken (by you, surprise) to intentionally make a big motor look bigger. You can say "well the blower IS the intake manifold on this motor," which is all well and good...but how about using an N/A 4.6 (or take the manifolds off both engines) to make it an honest comparison? Like I've told you countless times over the years, I am well aware of the size of both motors. I've handled both outside their respective cars on several separate occasions. One is CLEARLY larger than the other, there is no need to try and make it look even larger just to try and lend credence to your point.

HioSSilver

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Well they are both mine.....so yea taken by me. Can someone please explain how I intentionally made one look bigger or one look smaller in a pic? I do not have photoshop........so clearly I did not. Both are setting on the floor and their oil pans front propped up near level.

If I am not mistaken a n/a intake still has the throttle body above the valve cover........so again your wrong. That would put the n/a intake and the blower at near the same height.

One more thing......one engine is 505 hp while the other is 390. One weighs about 365lb and the other near 600.

actually that was 2 more things.....lmao

Tainted

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My god look at that boat anchor