No more NSX
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No more NSX
I always loved the NSX, but it was just too overpriced. Sad to see it go. Some people said that the 4th gen fbody (camaro) damaged sells because it looked so similar to the NSX.
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Way overpriced and way underpowered to compete with other cars in that price range. Heck there are 4 door luxury sedans like the E55 that would hand the NSX its head on a platter.
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The body style was ahead of it's time which is why it lasted as long as it did. I guess time has finally caught up to it.
I'd love to have one so I could put a LS1 in it.
I'd love to have one so I could put a LS1 in it.
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Originally Posted by PendragonZ
I always loved the NSX, but it was just too overpriced. Sad to see it go. Some people said that the 4th gen fbody (camaro) damaged sells because it looked so similar to the NSX.
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Just because both cars are red and black it doesn't mean they look alike.
Those people are obviously on crack. A 4th Gen F Body looks like **** sitting next to an NSX. The F-Body might be faster in a straight line but it sure as f**k doesn't look better. I don't know who these "people" are that said this but they obviously don't know WTF they're talking about or have no taste. I mean FFS one is a boat with a long hood for it's big honkin V8 and a short deck while the other is a streamlined beauty with a short front overhang because it's a MID-ENGINED car for crying out loud.
NSX sales steadily declined because Honda barely touched the thing and failed to make significant upgrades in a crowded and highly competitive market. If any GM product had a helping hand in killing NSX sales it's OBVIOUSLY the more powerful, more affordable albeit somewhat less reliable Corvette. The NSX is known as being one of the most reliable and easy to live with sports cars but in today's world it is SEVERELY underpowered. Sports cars sell on their performance credentials, not their reliability. 290hp won't get you anywhere quick unless we're talking Lotus or Caterham. Not to mention that the price of an NSX is quite steep compared to the competition. If anything it's a damn miracle the car lasted as long as it did (especially here in the states). During the course of the NSXs lifespan we lost the dead sexy but problematic FD RX-7, the bulletproof motored but bloated and inflated Mark IV Supra, the heavy, oversized and oversophisticated 3KGT/Stealth, the Z32 300ZXTT and a few other high performance products from Japan. The sports car market wasn't exactly booming in the early 90s and unfortunately for the Big 6, the generation of sporty/sports cars they put out during that time were larger, heavier, more powerful, but unfortunately much more expensive than their predecessors which led to their untimely deaths in the U.S. The NSX was always a bit more niche than any of these products as it occupied a more expensive segment of the market which is perhaps why it survived being built in small batches. The competition just got way too good. Look at everything that has come since the NSXs debut. Two generations of Viper, the ZR-1 and two generations of Z06, the 996 Turbo, the Lotus Elise, hell even ford got in on the game with it's GT. The list goes on.
That list however does NOT include F-Bodies. I don't know what those people were smoking. People who have enough scrilla for an NSX are not going to downgrade to a cheaply made F-Body. Yes they're fast as ****, but they occupy a totally different market. NSX buyers cross shop with Corvettes.
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4th Gens look like **** next to an NSX? That's definitely YOUR opinion.
And yes, it's definitely about time they did something with the NSX. Whether a major revamp, or completely ditching the car, they needed something drastic. It's the exact same damn car now as it was back in '91. Overpriced, underpowered, and an outdated design. I'm not saying it looks bad, but you can see its age big time.
The C5 runs circles around the NSX in everything except build-quality (which is relative). There was nothing about the NSX at all that could justify its ridiculous pricetag.
I'm really surprised it lasted as long as it did.
And yes, it's definitely about time they did something with the NSX. Whether a major revamp, or completely ditching the car, they needed something drastic. It's the exact same damn car now as it was back in '91. Overpriced, underpowered, and an outdated design. I'm not saying it looks bad, but you can see its age big time.
The C5 runs circles around the NSX in everything except build-quality (which is relative). There was nothing about the NSX at all that could justify its ridiculous pricetag.
I'm really surprised it lasted as long as it did.
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Originally Posted by bruddah_man_matt
Just because both cars are red and black it doesn't mean they look alike.
Those people are obviously on crack.
Those people are obviously on crack.
Originally Posted by bruddah_man_matt
A 4th Gen F Body looks like **** sitting next to an NSX. The F-Body might be faster in a straight line but it sure as f**k doesn't look better........I don't know who these "people" are that said this but they obviously don't know WTF they're talking about or have no taste.
Perhaps fit/finish/materials were of a higher class than F-body, or maybe even Corvette for that matter, but for the extreme difference in price, they’d better be. If I remember correctly, a recent NSX was just under the $90K mark, correct? With a 3.2L V6 and 290hp/225 ft/lbs, at about 3100-3200lbs? Yeah, I’d pass on that even if I liked the way it looked. I could find FAR better ways and/or cars to spend $90K on, if that were my budget.
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Just because both cars are red and black it doesn't mean they look alike.
Those people are obviously on crack. A 4th Gen F Body looks like **** sitting next to an NSX. The F-Body might be faster in a straight line but it sure as f**k doesn't look better. I don't know who these "people" are that said this but they obviously don't know WTF they're talking about or have no taste. I mean FFS one is a boat with a long hood for it's big honkin V8 and a short deck while the other is a streamlined beauty with a short front overhang because it's a MID-ENGINED car for crying out loud.
NSX sales steadily declined because Honda barely touched the thing and failed to make significant upgrades in a crowded and highly competitive market. If any GM product had a helping hand in killing NSX sales it's OBVIOUSLY the more powerful, more affordable albeit somewhat less reliable Corvette. The NSX is known as being one of the most reliable and easy to live with sports cars but in today's world it is SEVERELY underpowered. Sports cars sell on their performance credentials, not their reliability. 290hp won't get you anywhere quick unless we're talking Lotus or Caterham. Not to mention that the price of an NSX is quite steep compared to the competition. If anything it's a damn miracle the car lasted as long as it did (especially here in the states). During the course of the NSXs lifespan we lost the dead sexy but problematic FD RX-7, the bulletproof motored but bloated and inflated Mark IV Supra, the heavy, oversized and oversophisticated 3KGT/Stealth, the Z32 300ZXTT and a few other high performance products from Japan. The sports car market wasn't exactly booming in the early 90s and unfortunately for the Big 6, the generation of sporty/sports cars they put out during that time were larger, heavier, more powerful, but unfortunately much more expensive than their predecessors which led to their untimely deaths in the U.S. The NSX was always a bit more niche than any of these products as it occupied a more expensive segment of the market which is perhaps why it survived being built in small batches. The competition just got way too good. Look at everything that has come since the NSXs debut. Two generations of Viper, the ZR-1 and two generations of Z06, the 996 Turbo, the Lotus Elise, hell even ford got in on the game with it's GT. The list goes on.
That list however does NOT include F-Bodies. I don't know what those people were smoking. People who have enough scrilla for an NSX are not going to downgrade to a cheaply made F-Body. Yes they're fast as ****, but they occupy a totally different market. NSX buyers cross shop with Corvettes.
Those people are obviously on crack. A 4th Gen F Body looks like **** sitting next to an NSX. The F-Body might be faster in a straight line but it sure as f**k doesn't look better. I don't know who these "people" are that said this but they obviously don't know WTF they're talking about or have no taste. I mean FFS one is a boat with a long hood for it's big honkin V8 and a short deck while the other is a streamlined beauty with a short front overhang because it's a MID-ENGINED car for crying out loud.
NSX sales steadily declined because Honda barely touched the thing and failed to make significant upgrades in a crowded and highly competitive market. If any GM product had a helping hand in killing NSX sales it's OBVIOUSLY the more powerful, more affordable albeit somewhat less reliable Corvette. The NSX is known as being one of the most reliable and easy to live with sports cars but in today's world it is SEVERELY underpowered. Sports cars sell on their performance credentials, not their reliability. 290hp won't get you anywhere quick unless we're talking Lotus or Caterham. Not to mention that the price of an NSX is quite steep compared to the competition. If anything it's a damn miracle the car lasted as long as it did (especially here in the states). During the course of the NSXs lifespan we lost the dead sexy but problematic FD RX-7, the bulletproof motored but bloated and inflated Mark IV Supra, the heavy, oversized and oversophisticated 3KGT/Stealth, the Z32 300ZXTT and a few other high performance products from Japan. The sports car market wasn't exactly booming in the early 90s and unfortunately for the Big 6, the generation of sporty/sports cars they put out during that time were larger, heavier, more powerful, but unfortunately much more expensive than their predecessors which led to their untimely deaths in the U.S. The NSX was always a bit more niche than any of these products as it occupied a more expensive segment of the market which is perhaps why it survived being built in small batches. The competition just got way too good. Look at everything that has come since the NSXs debut. Two generations of Viper, the ZR-1 and two generations of Z06, the 996 Turbo, the Lotus Elise, hell even ford got in on the game with it's GT. The list goes on.
That list however does NOT include F-Bodies. I don't know what those people were smoking. People who have enough scrilla for an NSX are not going to downgrade to a cheaply made F-Body. Yes they're fast as ****, but they occupy a totally different market. NSX buyers cross shop with Corvettes.
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I read an article in a trade journal about this. Honda stated it was too costly to perform updates on the dated chassis to conform to 2006 US vehicle standards and it wasn't the cutting edge vehicle it once was. An Acura sedan was close to the performance level of the NSX for less money. The article also stated a replacement was in the design stages but not to expect one any time soon.
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I don't think 4th gens look like ****, I just don't think they compare to an NSX in the looks department (i.e. a 4th gen F-Body doesn't look as good as it does on it's own when there is an NSX next to it). Don't get me wrong when an LS1 goes by I oogle and drool. And me personally I'd take an F-Body over an NSX. But in terms of design, the 4th gen just doesn't compare. Think about it for a second. You park an NSX and an F-Body side by side, which will get more looks. Granted most people are too n00b to know what either is and what powers each but still, if we're talking strictly exterior, I think most would agree that an NSX is a much more beautiful car. A Camaro is just plain bad *** butch. A Firebird even more so. As someone else said since we're talking styling it's sll subjective. Hell that's why some people rice out Geo Metros... because they think it looks good. If an NSX is the "lady on the street" the F-Body is the "freak in the bed". They both look good, but one looks good because she's a sweet talker that'll treat you right while the other looks good because you know she knows how to work it.
Of course with a 1st gen F-Body you get the best of both worlds.
Of course with a 1st gen F-Body you get the best of both worlds.
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290 hp isnt that low is it? its around 10% less than an f-body but it also has 10% less weight, right? i still wouldnt get one though...and are they really that reliable compared to fbodies and vettes? i figure being one of the rarest, if not THE rarest 90's sports car due to low sales i doubt many people put enough miles on them for bad **** to happen.
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Originally Posted by spy2520
290 hp isnt that low is it?