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Bertbart 03-29-2012 11:33 AM

New CTS V owner with rear suspension question
 
I just last night picked up a 2005 CTS V. There is a clunking noise coming from the rear like the drive line loads and unloads with every shift. Is there a fix?

My buddy says he's seen some CTS V's at road Atlanta with some kind of rear-end stabilisation kit on them. Where can I find such a kit?

Thanks

.Houdini. 03-29-2012 11:54 AM

that is the infamous cts-v cluck you're hearing. It's partly caused by a worn rear diff mount bushing. Replacing with a new one will only fix the clunk for a short period of time. Aftermarket bushing is better. Try creative steel for that.

ColeGraham 03-29-2012 12:05 PM


Originally Posted by .Houdini. (Post 16137166)
that is the infamous cts-v cluck you're hearing. It's partly caused by a worn rear diff mount bushing. Replacing with a new one will only fix the clunk for a short period of time. Aftermarket bushing is better. Try creative steel for that.

Ding Ding Ding...winner winner, chicken dinner.

There will still be some weird noises that will come out the ass end of the car...most are "fairly normal". If you start here really loud whines, then you will have a problem. Which that will be your rear end going out. Start looking into some of the rear end/wheel hop band aids (i.e. axles, CVs, braces, and supports) just to be on the safe side.

BudRacing 03-30-2012 01:46 PM

You'll need the following:

https://creative-steel.com/store/ind...ct_detail&p=31
https://creative-steel.com/store/ind...ct_detail&p=48
and this if you're doing it yourself:
https://creative-steel.com/store/ind...ct_detail&p=95

Bertbart 03-30-2012 08:23 PM

Budracing,

Thanks for the links.

Those parts will stop the dreaded cla-clunk...or just taming it down would be good if that's all they do. It's so hard to drive slowly and control that sound.

I've been driving standard shift cars for over fifty years and it's all I can do to control the clunk. It's a damn shame that GM Cadillac Motor Division would engineer such a poor design and then offer no solution.

Thanks again, Bert

Dmax/04V 03-31-2012 12:32 AM

They will fix part of the problem, the oe dual mass flywheel will also add to the clunk if it's shot.

01_SuperSlow 03-31-2012 09:51 AM

I had that same problem when I bought my V. Creative steel bushing fixed it.

Bertbart 03-31-2012 10:03 AM

Thanks for the tips and info guys I appreciate it.

I sure hope it cures it without having to do the clutch.

Next on my list of things would be the "skip shift" fix. I'm not too crazy about going from first to fourth when trying to drive slowly, deliberately. I just wonder what the engineers were thinking...it's aggravating to me.

Scott96LT1 03-31-2012 12:22 PM


Originally Posted by Bertbart (Post 16144304)
Thanks for the tips and info guys I appreciate it.

I sure hope it cures it without having to do the clutch.

Next on my list of things would be the "skip shift" fix. I'm not too crazy about going from first to fourth when trying to drive slowly, deliberately. I just wonder what the engineers were thinking...it's aggravating to me.

Its always been said that its for fuel economy. In reality, skip shift does nothing so I'd guess its on paper. I bought an eliminator for my Z but made my own for the V. There's a write up on how to make your own with parts from Autozone/O'Reilly's/etc. Cost is about $8.

Dmax/04V 03-31-2012 01:18 PM

With regard to the skip shift feature, that's something that can be tuned out if you plan on having the car tuned in the near future. If you don't have tuning plans the above is your best option.

dangrus 04-01-2012 08:38 AM

Buy the CAGS eliminator off of ebay, it was $10 and it uses the same GM weatherpak connectors as everything else.

Bertbart 04-01-2012 11:35 AM

Thanks again guys for the tips.


Ordered both the bushing and the other dog leg looking urethane piece they recommended at Creative Steel. I'll call Monday to rent the tool.

I found the skip shift cure DIY instructions online and I'm heading to the Zone and Radio Shack today.


Originally Posted by Bertbart (Post 16147578)

I found the skip shift cure DIY instructions online and I'm heading to the Zone and Radio Shack today.

None of the automotive chain stores have the connector after driving several places. So I ordered one from ebay.

What I should have done from the start.

kl2onik 04-01-2012 09:06 PM

or just have your tuner turn the cags off and you dont have to install anything. Guys I have a similar q. I get the majority of my clunk at startup when i am granny shifting and it sounds like its coming from the front not the rear. Engine mount or flywheel???your thouhts??? My buddy was looking at the block as I gear revved it and said it seems like it is stable so I'm thinking its the flywheel especially since it tames down a bit after the car is running for a while. Still audible during granny shifting at 2k rpm but not nearly as audible with the same shifting as when the car first starts up

Bertbart 04-01-2012 09:20 PM


Originally Posted by kl2onik (Post 16149406)
or just have your tuner turn the cags off and you dont have to install anything.

I want to stay stock as possible. It already has a K&N cold air induction. I'd like to find the original air filter system just to have in case I want to go completely stock. If I can find one complete and cheap enough.

Dmax/04V 04-02-2012 12:39 AM


Originally Posted by kl2onik (Post 16149406)
or just have your tuner turn the cags off and you dont have to install anything. Guys I have a similar q. I get the majority of my clunk at startup when i am granny shifting and it sounds like its coming from the front not the rear. Engine mount or flywheel???your thouhts??? My buddy was looking at the block as I gear revved it and said it seems like it is stable so I'm thinking its the flywheel especially since it tames down a bit after the car is running for a while. Still audible during granny shifting at 2k rpm but not nearly as audible with the same shifting as when the car first starts up

Had the same thing with mine, the stock dual mass flywheel is spring loaded. When those springs lose their elasticity you will have alot of lower rpm clunking. Single mass flywheel is the way to go, I love my LS9X clutch/flywheel combo from katech. The V has much better throttle response when you cut out 30lbs of flywheel, twin disc makes rev matching and downshifting effortless. If you're running around on motor mounts that are shot, you should be able to tell when you shut the engine down if you have a diesel like shutdown.

kl2onik 04-02-2012 09:49 AM


Originally Posted by Bertbart (Post 16149463)
I want to stay stock as possible. It already has a K&N cold air induction. I'd like to find the original air filter system just to have in case I want to go completely stock. If I can find one complete and cheap enough.

to be honest man you dont lose out on anything by getting the car tuned. Better performance and mileage since its tuned perfectly based on graphs. Only thing you have to lose is the few hundred bucks it will cost.

As far as my issue I do think its the flywheel. In fact that fkr is so loud in low gears w granny shifting that I've noticed that people turn around outside in my neighbourhood when I pass by and clunk. And not only can i hear it I can feel it. I still havent replaced my diff bushing but that sucker sounds like its coming from under the front passengers feet rather then the rear making me think its not the dif bushing.

ColeGraham 04-02-2012 11:17 AM


Originally Posted by kl2onik (Post 16151009)
to be honest man you dont lose out on anything by getting the car tuned. Better performance and mileage since its tuned perfectly based on graphs. Only thing you have to lose is the few hundred bucks it will cost.
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This X2...after my tune, I gained more power (modded) and better fuel economy. On long highway runs I have made in the past, I was getting 25-27 mpg at 65-75 mph.

atdeneve 04-04-2012 02:16 AM


Originally Posted by Bertbart (Post 16137077)
I just last night picked up a 2005 CTS V. There is a clunking noise coming from the rear like the drive line loads and unloads with every shift. Is there a fix?

My buddy says he's seen some CTS V's at road Atlanta with some kind of rear-end stabilisation kit on them. Where can I find such a kit?

Thanks

That's most likely the Kars Kit. Not readily available now, but, considering that you said you wanted to stay as stock as possible, I'd assume that won't be something you'd be looking at anyway.

cadivette 04-04-2012 07:23 AM


Originally Posted by Bertbart (Post 16149463)
I want to stay stock as possible. It already has a K&N cold air induction. I'd like to find the original air filter system just to have in case I want to go completely stock. If I can find one complete and cheap enough.

I have the complete stock intake set up. PM me if you want it.

kl2onik 04-04-2012 11:00 AM

Bertbart the kars III kit is now pretty rare to find. If thats what you really wan't PM cobra98 he's got one FS. Also since then there are many anti hop kits such as gforce and BMR. The Kars III kit also requires some welding just a heads up. I just sold my BMR kit to swap in the gforce axles here in the next month or so. This is the way to go imo since the stockers are problematic and break on people anyway. Kill two birds w one stone.


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