Any Torque app users here?
 

I caught wind of this app a while ago and thought it'd be fun to play with for the $15 it took to buy the app and get the OBD II bluetooth dongle from eBay. (sidenote: DONGLE...what a fun word)
Now that I have it though, I'm not too familiar with what I should be seeing in terms of numbers on the various readouts. I was watching the MAF, air temps, fuel trims, timing, cat temps, and AFR while cruising on the highway the other day and while it was cool to have all that info at my fingertips, I really didn't know what was "normal" or if anything was out of whack. A few things I noticed and wondered about:
- I could only get a "commanded" AFR, which always seemed to stay at 14.7 if I recall correctly. I couldn't get an on-demand/measured reading
- The timing advance read between 38* and 40* while cruising at 125km/h (75mph). That seemed like a lot of advance for me, but maybe that's normal when the engine's under light load just cruising.
- The intake temp was about 15* warmer than ambient... perhaps my K&N FIPK is drawing too much hot air from under the hood?
- MAF reading got well over 400 cfm when I was givin' 'er
- Cat temps on the highway hung around 1600*, with about a 20-30* variance from one cat to the other


Anyway... it's a neat little tool to play around with; especially for less than $20. Anyone have any tips or things to watch for next time I'm using it?

These cars don't have a factory wideband O2 sensor, which is why you can only see commanded AFR. Not a useful parameter if you're just checking on how the car is running. Timing advance is high at low rpm/low load, so that's fine. Your intake temp is never going to truly be ambient, also normal.

Some useful parameters to monitor are LTFT and STFT (long term fuel trim and short term fuel trim). If you see large values for any length of time (such as 15%), it can indicate a leak or malfunction, but don't freak out too much unless you notice other things wrong with the car. Not much else to monitor since we have the oil, coolant, and trans temp as well as oil pressure on the dash. Depends on what kind of data you want, in terms of troubleshooting and whatnot, though.

I've got it running on my Parrot Asteroid, but I don't run it regularly.

Agreed it is awesome to have the app, I only have used it for codes. System checks, LTFTs and o2 readings

I love the app and use it to clear codes etc. pretty cool to see the different dials and stuff running as well. Using it on my Sony tablet.

It works OK for some basic stuff.

app works great.

anyone have PID for oil pressure/temp? i'd like to see the temps and pressures on the fly vs scrolling through the dash. the trans and coolant temp are available at least.
that sounds about right. i have stock air filter and when first starting up cold will show roughly ambient but once you get going it'll jump up from the warmed engine.

Cool, thanks for the info. Speaking to the fuel trim readings... that was actually a reason I found the app. After cleaning and re-oiling my K&N, I was getting bank 1 and 2 lean codes like crazy. I had to get the MAF out and clean it, as well as re-clean the K&N. The code went away for a good time, but still pops up every now and then. Last time torque told me that the LTFT's were at about 25%, so something was wrong. I think I need to get the MAF out and clean it again. Apparently it's REALLY easy to over-oil these stupid K&N filters. Is the oil even necessary?? Anyway, after clearing the code a few weeks ago I've been keeping an eye on the FT's. They're sticking around 7% for the LT's and 2-4% on the ST's. Seems ok. What seems to set off the lean codes is when I get a little carried away with driving like an asshole. Lots of WOT seems to result in the code. *shrug*

For WOT you need a WB sensor to make sure you are getting the proper amount of fuel into the cyl. Anything less than 3500rpm you can cheat and use the NB to tune your MAF and VE.

I tuned the MAF on my 2010 Tahoe this way and with no issues. Just make 60-80% corrections and you wont over shoot the adjustments. I get +/-4 LTFT adjustments and leave it there.

Once i get my Caddy started i will tune the VE first, then MAF for less than 3500, then turn my attention to WOT.

Torque scan plugin will allow you to add all the standard GM PIDs. Search for it and run the scan and you'll get oil pressure & temp.

i let it run for 3 hrs and it still wasn't done. was hoping someone did the leg work.

I have not gotten oil temp to run on torque either. I downloaded Torque Scan plugin but only tinkered for about 2 minutes before work this morning.

I did however clear a code that sets every so many days for me ;/

The PID that I REALLY want is the knock sensor, but Torque Scan can't find it. I was trying to determine if I'm hearing knock or just some other random noise. I guess it doesn't matter much since the motor is hurt anyway, hah.

There is a Knock Plugin that I have on my torque app. it is called "Knock Detector"

https://play.google.com/store/apps/d...kills.kd&hl=en

It is vague but it told me "possible detonations"

Hey guys... What's a normal timing advance at idle? ~14* sound OK?

Oops sorry, I didn't need to run it for hours. They are built in to the app.
In the Torque main screen go to Settings.
Then go to Manage extra PIDs/Sensors
Then hit your Menu button and hit "Add predefined set"
Then select "Pontiac/GM/Opel/Vauxhall" and your Oil PIDs should be in there.

This is a pretty old thread bump, but I recently did a long road trip, and decided to run the TorqueScan plugin to the Torque app while I was driving, so I could do the complete PID scan that @gangnam style was talking about.

I've seen people post about it taking 3 hours before, but it only took about 1.5 hours to do the full scan and probe all the extended OBD-II PIDs on my 2005 CTS-V.

I will post the log here, below.

I haven't cross-referenced this log with the extended GM PID list that @FBDYLVR mentioned, which is included in the app itself, but I expect some different PIDs will appear in my log, specific to the first generation CTS-V.

When I ran the full scan, I used the default "auto" header, which returned the list below of Mode 22 GM extended PIDs on my car. The documentation on the Torque website and forum is pretty vague, but I get the idea that if you enter a different header for TorqueScan, you may be able to scan different computers on the car. Ian Hawkins gave the example that the OBD header field in TorqueScan can be "auto", or blank, or "TCM", or "7E0", etc., in this forum thread:
https://torque-bhp.com/forums/?wpfor...topic&t=1253.0

In another thread on that forum, Capp777 mentioned different header entries for the transmission control module on different vehicles here: https://torque-bhp.com/forums/?wpfor...topic&t=6399.0

I haven't yet tried scanning with any different header than the default "auto" that comes up in TorqueScan, and it gives me all these Mode 22 results.

But I wonder if it could probe the Body Control Module, if I entered BCM in the header, for example. Hmm. That would be a question for Ian Hawkins, but he doesn't seem to be supporting his Torque app any more, unfortunately.

There's a couple of useful discussions on interpreting the result log of a full TorqueScan here: https://torque-bhp.com/forums/?wpfor...topic&t=5763.0

And here: https://torque-bhp.com/forums/?wpfor...topic&t=6992.0

If anyone else wants to run a complete scan on their CTS-V, it would be interesting to compare the results, especially if they ran the complete scan with a cold engine (and the battery on a trickle charger for 1.5 hours, I guess).

That would let us compare the responses to each PID command, and so to zero in on all the PIDs that relate to temperature. Obviously, my log relates to a warmed-up engine.

TorqueScan complete scan log of my 2005 CTS-V
 

Please enter the vehicle type if sending to the developer, thanks!

Scanning has started. Discovered PIDs will appear here.Command: 220001 response:62000100076504
Command: 220003 response:6200030202
Command: 220004 response:62000471
Command: 220005 response:62000569
Command: 220006 response:6200067B
Command: 220007 response:62000783
Command: 220008 response:6200087D
Command: 220009 response:62000981
Command: 22000b response:62000B2F
Command: 22000c response:62000C2168
Command: 22000d response:62000D22
Command: 22000e response:62000EB4
Command: 22000f response:62000F2F
Command: 220010 response:6200100EF1
Command: 220011 response:62001136
Command: 220012 response:62001204
Command: 220013 response:62001333
Command: 220014 response:6200142680
Command: 220015 response:6200157EFF
Command: 220018 response:620018997D
Command: 220019 response:62001978FF
Command: 22001c response:62001C01
Command: 22001e response:62001E00
Command: 220021 response:6200210000
Command: 221100 response:6211008B
Command: 221101 response:62110102
Command: 221102 response:62110214
Command: 221103 response:62110300
Command: 221104 response:62110460
Command: 221105 response:6211057F
Command: 221106 response:62110609
Command: 221107 response:62110702
Command: 221108 response:62110803
Command: 22110c response:62110C00
Command: 22110d response:62110D0F
Command: 22110e response:62110E00
Command: 22110f response:62110F3F
Command: 221110 response:62111000
Command: 221111 response:62111148
Command: 221112 response:62111200
Command: 221113 response:62111308
Command: 221114 response:62111400
Command: 221115 response:62111500
Command: 221116 response:62111600
Command: 221117 response:62111788
Command: 221118 response:6211180F
Command: 221119 response:62111900
Command: 221120 response:62112050
Command: 221140 response:6211402D73
Command: 221141 response:6211418D
Command: 221142 response:621142E9
Command: 221143 response:62114300
Command: 221144 response:62114430
Command: 221145 response:621145A1
Command: 221146 response:62114654
Command: 221148 response:6211484D
Command: 221149 response:6211492B
Command: 22114b response:62114B00
Command: 22114c response:62114C48
Command: 22114d response:62114D35
Command: 22114e response:62114E58
Command: 221151 response:62115115
Command: 221152 response:62115200
Command: 221155 response:62115570
Command: 22115c response:62115C6B
Command: 22116f response:62116F28
Command: 221170 response:6211708E
Command: 221172 response:6211720136
Command: 221177 response:62117737
Command: 221186 response:6211860000
Command: 221187 response:6211870000
Command: 221190 response:62119002
Command: 221192 response:62119240
Command: 22119b response:62119B00
Command: 22119d response:62119DF5
Command: 22119e response:62119E92
Command: 22119f response:62119F39
Command: 2211a1 response:6211A102E3
Command: 2211a6 response:6211A600
Command: 2211bb response:6211BB37
Command: 2211bd response:6211BD00
Command: 2211c1 response:6211C100
Command: 2211d7 response:6211D70066
Command: 2211e4 response:6211E40003
Command: 2211e5 response:6211E50065
Command: 2211e6 response:6211E60000
Command: 2211e7 response:6211E740
Command: 2211e8 response:6211E80000
Command: 2211e9 response:6211E900
Command: 2211ea response:6211EA00
Command: 2211eb response:6211EB00
Command: 2211ec response:6211EC00
Command: 2211ed response:6211ED00
Command: 2211f2 response:6211F200
Command: 2211f3 response:6211F302
Command: 2211f4 response:6211F400
Command: 2211f5 response:6211F500
Command: 2211f6 response:6211F600
Command: 2211f7 response:6211F700
Command: 2211f8 response:6211F80000
Command: 2211f9 response:6211F90000
Command: 2211fa response:6211FA0000
Command: 2211fb response:6211FB0000
Command: 221200 response:62120002
Command: 221201 response:6212010001
Command: 221202 response:6212020000
Command: 221203 response:6212030001
Command: 221204 response:6212040000
Command: 221205 response:62120500
Command: 221206 response:62120600
Command: 221207 response:62120700
Command: 221208 response:62120800
Command: 22120a response:62120A80
Command: 22120b response:62120B80
Command: 22120c response:62120C80
Command: 221212 response:62121200
Command: 221216 response:6212160068
Command: 221217 response:6212170062
Command: 22121a response:62121A006C
Command: 221221 response:6212210000
Command: 221227 response:6212270000
Command: 221228 response:6212280000
Command: 221229 response:6212290000
Command: 22122a response:62122A08
Command: 221232 response:62123202
Command: 221233 response:62123302
Command: 221234 response:621234000D
Command: 221235 response:6212350000
Command: 221236 response:6212360000
Command: 221237 response:62123700
Command: 221238 response:62123800
Command: 221239 response:62123900
Command: 22123a response:62123A80
Command: 221243 response:6212430022
Command: 221244 response:6212440023
Command: 221245 response:6212450039
Command: 221246 response:621246003A
Command: 221247 response:62124700
Command: 221250 response:621250192A
Command: 221255 response:62125500A2
Command: 22125a response:62125A00AD
Command: 22125b response:62125B00AD
Command: 221296 response:6212960000
Command: 2212b0 response:6212B000
Command: 2212b1 response:6212B10122
Command: 2212bc response:
6212BBCF
7F2212BC0123
Command: 2212c5 response:6212C5CF
Command: 2212e2 response:6212E228
Command: 2212e3 response:6212E34C
Command: 2212ea response:6212EA00
Command: 2212eb response:6212EB00
Command: 2212ee response:6212EE01
Command: 2212ef response:6212EF00
Command: 2212f0 response:6212F000
Command: 2212f3 response:6212F300
Command: 2212f5 response:6212F504A6
Command: 2212f7 response:6212F730
Command: 2212ff response:6212FF105D
Command: 221300 response:62130003AF
Command: 221301 response:6213010000
Command: 22130e response:62130E04B3
Command: 22130f response:62130F02
Command: 221310 response:62131002
Command: 221311 response:62131101
Command: 221312 response:62131202
Command: 221315 response:6213150C
Command: 221316 response:6213160C
Command: 221317 response:6213170C
Command: 221318 response:6213180C
Command: 221319 response:6213190C
Command: 22131a response:62131A0C
Command: 22131b response:62131B0C
Command: 22131c response:62131C0C
Command: 22131d response:62131D1000
Command: 22131e response:62131E0118
Command: 22131f response:62131F0000
Command: 221325 response:
62132428
7F2213250131
Command: 22132a response:62132A0CF1
Command: 22132b response:62132B23CE
Command: 22132c response:62132C23CF
Command: 221336 response:6213365A00
Command: 221337 response:621337024F
Command: 221338 response:62133865
Command: 22139c response:62139C00
Command: 22139d response:62139D0000
Command: 221481 response:6214810028
Command: 221482 response:6214820019
Command: 221484 response:6214840029
Command: 221485 response:621485001A
Command: 221565 response:62156500
Command: 221566 response:62156600
Command: 221567 response:62156700
Command: 221568 response:62156800
Command: 221569 response:621569006A
Command: 22156a response:62156A017C
Command: 221617 response:6216172E60
Command: 221627 response:621627E980
Command: 221628 response:6216280039
Command: 22162b response:62162B00
Command: 22163f response:62163F00
Command: 221900 response:62190000
Command: 221901 response:62190100
Command: 221921 response:62192108
Command: 221922 response:62192200
Command: 221923 response:62192300
Command: 221924 response:62192420
Command: 221925 response:62192500
Command: 221927 response:62192700
Command: 221928 response:62192800
Command: 221929 response:62192900
Command: 22192a response:62192A30
Command: 22192b response:62192B00000000
Command: 22192d response:62192D00
Command: 221940 response:6219403C
Command: 221941 response:6219410000
Command: 221942 response:6219420000
Command: 22195d response:62195D7FFF
Command: 221970 response:62197000
Command: 221971 response:62197100
Command: 221972 response:6219720C
Command: 221973 response:62197300
Command: 221975 response:62197500
Command: 221976 response:62197600
Command: 221991 response:6219910000
Command: 221992 response:62199200
Command: 221993 response:62199300
Command: 221994 response:62199400
Command: 221995 response:62199500
Command: 221996 response:62199600
Command: 221997 response:62199700
Command: 221998 response:62199800
Command: 221999 response:62199900
Command: 22199a response:62199A03
Command: 22199b response:62199B00
Command: 22199c response:62199C00
Command: 22199d response:62199D00
Command: 22199e response:62199E00
Command: 22199f response:62199F00
Command: 2219a0 response:6219A000
Command: 2219a1 response:6219A100
Command: 2219ad response:6219AD77
Command: 2219d4 response:6219D40000
Command: 2219de response:6219DE0000
Command: 2219ff response:6219FF00
Command: 221a02 response:621A020000
Command: 221a13 response:621A1300
Command: 221a88 response:621A880000
Command: 22fc12 response:62FC123AB9
Command: 22fc1c response:62FC1C0448
Command: 22fc1e response:62FC1E0394
Command: 22fc22 response:62FC220400
Command: 22fc24 response:62FC240000
Command: 22fc25 response:62FC250000
Command: 22fc2c response:62FC2C0207
Command: 22fc30 response:62FC301000
Command: 22fc40 response:62FC4000C7
Command: 22fc41 response:62FC4103E5
Command: 22fc43 response:62FC43066C
Command: 22fc45 response:62FC4514
Command: 22fc46 response:62FC4604
Command: 22fc47 response:62FC4754
Command: 22fc48 response:62FC4825
Command: 22fc4a response:62FC4A00030D40
Scanning finished