Need opinions from those that have done full bushing/mm/tm overhaul
02-01-2016, 05:29 PM
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Need opinions from those that have done full bushing/mm/tm overhaul Ive owned my V1 for a few weeks now and asolutely love it. Used to own a 2006 PBM M6 GTO and overall i think i enjoy the V1 more. The fact that it has more room for the little one in the back is a plus. Anyways before i continue to ramble on im wanting to do things the opposite with the caddy than with the GTO since thru alot of reading the suspension and bushings become a problem eventually. So im wanting to start from a complete bushing and motor/trans mount overhaul. Ive came across creative steel and rev shift for the bushings and mounts. Now the question i have is for those with more knowledge on this area of the car is which kit would give me everything i need without missing anything bushing wise?
https://creative-steel.com/shop/04-0...-arm-bushings/
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http://www.revshift.com/mobile/Produ...ctCode=FBK-CTS
Also different opinions of each of the motor mounts that both companies offer?
For those that want more info on the GTO i had a forged LQ9 370ci built to throw a TVS 2300 thrown on eventually but life happened and had to part ways with it. Pics and info are at:
Gtslow.weebly.com
Im from the West Texas area and look forward to learning more about the Caddy from longtime members/owners!
https://creative-steel.com/shop/04-0...-arm-bushings/
OR
http://www.revshift.com/mobile/Produ...ctCode=FBK-CTS
Also different opinions of each of the motor mounts that both companies offer?
For those that want more info on the GTO i had a forged LQ9 370ci built to throw a TVS 2300 thrown on eventually but life happened and had to part ways with it. Pics and info are at:
Gtslow.weebly.com
Im from the West Texas area and look forward to learning more about the Caddy from longtime members/owners!
02-01-2016, 09:46 PM
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Topic has been covered a lot. Both companies have their supporters.
I have parts from both.
Revshift 80A motor mounts and trans insert both holding up fine for 2 years.
Revshift 95A diff bushing has been installed for a year.
Creative Steel red (race) cradle bushings and trailing arm bushings installed for a year.
Haven't had issues with anything. Both companies shipped my parts very quickly. I've never had to deal with Revshift's customer service as I had no problems. Creative Steel's customer service has been great. I rented their tool to install the cradle bushings and it made the job super easy. They were also very helpful when I placed my 8.8 order.
Haven't installed the 8.8 yet but looking forward to getting rid of my gen 1 getrag. The whine since putting in the stiff cradle and diff bushings is insanely loud.
I have parts from both.
Revshift 80A motor mounts and trans insert both holding up fine for 2 years.
Revshift 95A diff bushing has been installed for a year.
Creative Steel red (race) cradle bushings and trailing arm bushings installed for a year.
Haven't had issues with anything. Both companies shipped my parts very quickly. I've never had to deal with Revshift's customer service as I had no problems. Creative Steel's customer service has been great. I rented their tool to install the cradle bushings and it made the job super easy. They were also very helpful when I placed my 8.8 order.
Haven't installed the 8.8 yet but looking forward to getting rid of my gen 1 getrag. The whine since putting in the stiff cradle and diff bushings is insanely loud.
02-01-2016, 10:28 PM
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Sounds like either way i go is fine. But i noticed that the rev shift kit i posted has mkre buahings than the CS kit does. Is there a reason for that?
02-02-2016, 03:12 AM
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02-02-2016, 07:42 AM
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the creative steel product lineup is going to be more what you want to stick with. do your research on both companies (outside of ls1tech, or this thread) via google and the like and come to your own conclusions. it should lead you back to creative steel.
that being said if you want a set it and forget it motor mount you'd want to steer yourself towards UMI. i'm running them on my daily driver V1 and they're awesome. vibrations are minimal. i drive my kids and wife around all the time with no complaints out of anyone (and i'm on coilovers, too).
the trans insert from revshift or the full poly mount from CS is a toss up, but the real kicker is going to be the rear cradle bushings CS offer. they're way more stout. same goes with their motor mounts in comparison.
but...as i said, do your own research. it's going to be a split opinion here and everyone is going to have their camp that they recommend.
that being said if you want a set it and forget it motor mount you'd want to steer yourself towards UMI. i'm running them on my daily driver V1 and they're awesome. vibrations are minimal. i drive my kids and wife around all the time with no complaints out of anyone (and i'm on coilovers, too).
the trans insert from revshift or the full poly mount from CS is a toss up, but the real kicker is going to be the rear cradle bushings CS offer. they're way more stout. same goes with their motor mounts in comparison.
but...as i said, do your own research. it's going to be a split opinion here and everyone is going to have their camp that they recommend.
02-02-2016, 08:08 AM
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I hated my UMIs. the engine sat crooked in the car after installing them which caused problems with driveline alignment. They were out maybe a 1/16th at the engine but that translated to close to a half inch at the diff and my car didn't like that at all. Went back with CS mounts, perfectly aligned.
EDIT: That being said, I think we see a certain amount of inconsistency in these cars. What seems to work well for one, sucks for another. The UMIs might work for you but the poly mounts are going to be more forgiving.
EDIT: That being said, I think we see a certain amount of inconsistency in these cars. What seems to work well for one, sucks for another. The UMIs might work for you but the poly mounts are going to be more forgiving.
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02-02-2016, 09:05 AM
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i don't disagree. my situation is working out well, but i'm also not expecting perfection out of something i'm installing "generic" parts on in a 10+ year old car. if i were building everything from scratch i'd have way more opinions on it being perfect or not.
for most, the CS mounts are going to be the best solution.
for most, the CS mounts are going to be the best solution.
02-02-2016, 09:08 AM
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i don't disagree. my situation is working out well, but i'm also not expecting perfection out of something i'm installing "generic" parts on in a 10+ year old car. if i were building everything from scratch i'd have way more opinions on it being perfect or not.
for most, the CS mounts are going to be the best solution.
for most, the CS mounts are going to be the best solution.
Thats the reason i wanted to get some opinions, i want to do it once and forget about it for a looooong time without any real issues. I plan to mod the car to be pretty aggressive as a weekend warrior so i just want it to be perfect!
What i think is confusing me too since i have never in my life worried about bushings on a previous car cause of lack of knowledge, is that RS has a full kit available and CS has all their different bushings seperated in kits. Just found these split up into a kit aswell.
https://creative-steel.com/shop/cts-...adle-bushings/
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02-02-2016, 10:26 AM
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i don't know if you're on facebook at all, or even care, but we've got a V1 specific group up and running and you'll probably get a lot more opinions a lot quicker via that route than on here. although tech has a large number of very intelligent, OG users the actual spread of the user base is kind of small for active members.
search for "CTS-V1 VS THE WORLD".
search for "CTS-V1 VS THE WORLD".
02-02-2016, 10:40 AM
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Welcome to the CTS-V world!
We are still supporting this platform and community, and will likely come out with more products down the line (there are still a few more things we would like to finalize that will help further the car).
If you are looking at doing a "complete" bushing overhaul, of every bushing needed/wanted, we can do a special kit for you. We can walk you through what you are wanting to do with your car, and what items would fit those specific needs.
If you have any questions, we never miss a phone call or email.
We are still supporting this platform and community, and will likely come out with more products down the line (there are still a few more things we would like to finalize that will help further the car).
If you are looking at doing a "complete" bushing overhaul, of every bushing needed/wanted, we can do a special kit for you. We can walk you through what you are wanting to do with your car, and what items would fit those specific needs.
If you have any questions, we never miss a phone call or email.
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02-02-2016, 11:35 AM
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i don't know if you're on facebook at all, or even care, but we've got a V1 specific group up and running and you'll probably get a lot more opinions a lot quicker via that route than on here. although tech has a large number of very intelligent, OG users the actual spread of the user base yis kind of small for active members.
search for "CTS-V1 VS THE WORLD".
search for "CTS-V1 VS THE WORLD".
02-02-2016, 11:37 AM
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Welcome to the CTS-V world!
We are still supporting this platform and community, and will likely come out with more products down the line (there are still a few more things we would like to finalize that will help further the car).
If you are looking at doing a "complete" bushing overhaul, of every bushing needed/wanted, we can do a special kit for you. We can walk you through what you are wanting to do with your car, and what items would fit those specific needs.
If you have any questions, we never miss a phone call or email.
We are still supporting this platform and community, and will likely come out with more products down the line (there are still a few more things we would like to finalize that will help further the car).
If you are looking at doing a "complete" bushing overhaul, of every bushing needed/wanted, we can do a special kit for you. We can walk you through what you are wanting to do with your car, and what items would fit those specific needs.
If you have any questions, we never miss a phone call or email.
Well your response sure does help seal this for me. Thanks ill be getting with you later today once i can get a chance to escape from the bosses view for a few minutes
02-02-2016, 01:48 PM
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I'm another proponent for Creative Steel. Always a good experience from them and good products and support.
Glad to see you're addressing these issues first. It should make you like the car from the very start. I've done a few items at a time and wish I'd done the full shebang years ago.
I just read about their control arm bushings and how they reduce the torsional resistance from the stock rubber bushings. Does anyone else have experience with this? I'm curious as to how it affects the compression and rebound in regards to driving comfort. I would think it's a positive effect overall.
Glad to see you're addressing these issues first. It should make you like the car from the very start. I've done a few items at a time and wish I'd done the full shebang years ago.
I just read about their control arm bushings and how they reduce the torsional resistance from the stock rubber bushings. Does anyone else have experience with this? I'm curious as to how it affects the compression and rebound in regards to driving comfort. I would think it's a positive effect overall.
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02-02-2016, 02:02 PM
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I'm another proponent for Creative Steel. Always a good experience from them and good products and support.
Glad to see you're addressing these issues first. It should make you like the car from the very start. I've done a few items at a time and wish I'd done the full shebang years ago.
I just read about their control arm bushings and how they reduce the torsional resistance from the stock rubber bushings. Does anyone else have experience with this? I'm curious as to how it affects the compression and rebound in regards to driving comfort. I would think it's a positive effect overall.
Glad to see you're addressing these issues first. It should make you like the car from the very start. I've done a few items at a time and wish I'd done the full shebang years ago.
I just read about their control arm bushings and how they reduce the torsional resistance from the stock rubber bushings. Does anyone else have experience with this? I'm curious as to how it affects the compression and rebound in regards to driving comfort. I would think it's a positive effect overall.
