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Old 12-17-2011, 02:14 PM   #1
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Question Sealed Crate Engine class for NMCA?

With the introduction of the Coyote Stock class on the NMRA side, I am wondering if there is any interest from NMCA drivers to have a class like this in the NMCA series?

Here are the Coyote Stock rules to use as an example:
http://nmradigital.com/rules/docs/Co...02012%20V6.pdf

1 sealed engine, 1 sealed PCM, 1 tire, 1 weight

Having a sealed crate engine class could open several doors for the series, for manufacturers, and mostly for the racers. A person with an average budget only has a chance to be competitive in index racing anymore. Even the "entry level" heads up classes require deep pockets. The sealed crate engine class could be a great opportunity for people on a realistic budget to get the thrill of heads up racing and actually be competitive.

Obviously, I'm thinking the LS-platform would be the sealed engine of choice for GM.

What do you all think?

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Old 12-17-2011, 04:09 PM   #2
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I think it would be neat, If the cost of the engine/ecu could be kept reasonable, it will really put all the weight on the driver/suspension tuning
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only problem I see is not too many people have the money to buy a crate engine, but it sure would be fun...people would be running crazy gears and real tricks instead of adding power, like the old days
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I think it is a great class to add to the program. This will make people become creative and use some old school ideas. I would be interested if it fits the budget.
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only problem I see is not too many people have the money to buy a crate engine, but it sure would be fun...people would be running crazy gears and real tricks instead of adding power, like the old days
I agree on costs, but if you looks at what even a competitive Factory Stock motor costs, the Coyote is about 1/3-1/2 the costs. I think it can really bring back a more affordable heads-up class...
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A heads up class you think a stock crate engine you can't touch, cost to much? You think your gona run some $1100 heads, and a $300 cam with stock valvetrain in a heads up class?

The slowest headsup class I'm looking into, its alum rods, high rpms, and 2-4K into unported stock heads.
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need more then 4 races to make it worth it
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I think it's a great idea, but I cannot commit to it personally, at least at this point in time.
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Old 12-19-2011, 10:10 PM   #9
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all i'm saying is i know a lot of guys get into ls because you can buy a $600 6.0 or $300 5.3 and go racin' I didnt say it cost too much. How much is a crate motor these days anyway? are we talking crate ls1 or crate ls3? I think its a cool idea.

I cant say ****, I have a set of almost $3000 cathedral port heads on mine....lol
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all i'm saying is i know a lot of guys get into ls because you can buy a $600 6.0 or $300 5.3 and go racin' I didnt say it cost too much. How much is a crate motor these days anyway? are we talking crate ls1 or crate ls3? I think its a cool idea.

I cant say ****, I have a set of almost $3000 cathedral port heads on mine....lol
This, 150%. People get into LS swaps becuase they are inexpensive and a STRONG starting point to get faster and faster.
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need more then 4 races to make it worth it
If they did it, I'm sure it'd be for the full 7 race series like the Coyote Stock one is...

Just thought I'd mention it here since it'd be likely to get factory support / backing if they used late model engines.

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If they did it, I'm sure it'd be for the full 7 race series like the Coyote Stock one is...

Just thought I'd mention it here since it'd be likely to get factory support / backing if they used late model engines.

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So you are talking about an NMCA class then, interesting concept for sure!
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Yep, a possible NMCA class.

I'd think there are some "interested" individuals that could get behind this class based on what the Coyote Stock class in the NMRA, scheduled to start competition in 2012, should generate on competition and interest.

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Junkyard 5.3 class, now that would be pretty cheap lol!!!
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Hey Derek I've been too busy to chime in, but I think it's potentially a pretty cool idea.

Take for example the crate LS3, it's available for $6500-7000:
http://www.google.com/products/catal...ed=0CGAQ8wIwAw

That's a fraction of what a competitive NMCA Mean Street engine would cost.

I think an LS3 class, on a 28x10.5 slick, @ 3200 raceweight, using C10 for fuel (pulled from the Coyote 5.0 rules), would be a mid 10 second class by the end of the season.

To continue, I think this addresses the desire for a slow class. I think some of the other convos like the one by Studderin on another site are cool, but ultimately the only way you can configure a class that allows NA, turbos, superchargers, nitrous etc., is by having a very detailed and intricate set of rules, or to just create an index class.

I'll be honest, I think this idea is very good, and clever. As long as the crate engines are reasonably priced I think it could work. Derek if you want to jaw about this at all email me at [email protected] and I can give you my cell number.

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I think that the crate motor LS3 with the ASA cam would be a wicked choice. It would make those Coyote Mustangs look tame!
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Somehow every time my buddies and I get together to drink beers a class like this comes up an we would love to do it.
Plus it would be a great class to watch as ever race would be door to door.
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Giz' idea is even cooler, cammed LS3 crate engine.
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Giz' idea is even cooler, cammed LS3 crate engine.
GM already offers this crate motor. All they have to do is change a few bolts!

http://www.gmperformanceparts.com/En...9233&engCat=ls
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GM already offers this crate motor. All they have to do is change a few bolts!

http://www.gmperformanceparts.com/En...9233&engCat=ls
It will make even more than 525 hp with headers and a race tune.
10's for sure, but you better stay out of the 9's for as long as you can.

Keep the weight around 3400 to 3500 lbs, so more people can play.
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