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Old 05-21-2019, 09:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Pop N Wood
Yeah I bought one to use for that purpose. Hooked it up to a homemade pulse generator and it ran my fuel pump just fine. The unit has no internal ramp up or down, it will immediately run the pump at whatever the input PWM duty cycle is.
Are you referring to the Dorman (Chrysler) unit?

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Originally Posted by scotte
ok so i figured out how to have pwm fans without the expensive corvette controller with the impossible to find plug

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this works for me it may or may not work for you
most cooling fans can pull a good amount of current
(enough to start a fire if something goes wrong )
make sure the module/relay can support your fan and please insure everything is wired correctly and fused properly
I'm not responsible for what you do to your vehicle/self/grandmother's garage

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ok so i have been experimenting with various cooling fan control setups for the jeep i'm building (03 wrangler stretched 15" with a 09 4.8/gt45/e85/4l80e/circle d billet converter)

the 09 4.8 runs on a 09 e38 ecm/t42 tcm (with a van calibration)

i wanted my cooling fans to be pwm but i didn't want to spend the money on the corvette module / plug

i have successfully used a 05 caravan/town & country fan controller (04-06 chrysler mini vans used pwm to control the fans from 30% to 100%

the controller is simple and widely available cheap (they even give you a plug most of the time )

although i recommend getting one directly from the chrysler dealer (for reliability) i don't think they come with a plug

i grabbed mine from a local salvage yard as i was unwilling to wait

here is the link for the dorman one on amazon
http://www.amazon.com/Dorman-902-310.../dp/B0053T60SE

$29.61 with free 2 day shipping (if you are a prime member)

the factory wire colors are as follows

orange/red fused 12v+ (had a 40amp fuse from the factory)

dark blue/dark green output to fan (12v+)

dark blue/violet control wire (goes to x1 pin 58 on a e38 ecm

black/dark green ground

for mounting the module has one locating peg and a hole for a hold down bolt
(i drilled a 5/16 hole for the peg and used a self tapping bolt to secure mine to the fender

the efan i'm using on my jeep is from a 02 ford escort which uses a 40a fuse also

after setting up my tune (via efilive) by turning the fan option to pwm electric and setting of the % table (i was careful not set a % lower than 30% as according to the chrysler service manual that is as low as the minivan ecm goes) and i didn't want the burnup the module by making it work outside of its design limits

i was disappointed after initially running the fan test via a tech 2 (scanning as an 09 corvette) as the fan was kicking on and off repeatedly (starting slow and going faster) but that must be how the test is performed as when the engine was warmed up the fans kicked on right as they should and slowly increased in % as the ect went up

i consider it experimental but i'm gonna be driving this thing shortly and so far it has just worked like it is supposed to

so there a gen 4 pwm fan controller for under $30 including the connector

if anybody wants to donate to my alcohol fund so i can drink to forget the 85 pages of service manuals,wiring schematics,and pwm operation technical crap i've read recently then my paypal is scott (dot) elenbaas (at) gmail (dot) com

enjoy your pwm cooling fans!

Hi,

would you help me please, how to connect the E67 (CTS-V) ecu to control the PWM bodule fan Bosch 1137328118, please.

It would be really helpfull. I probably don't fully understand what is needed to connect.

Many thanks

Petr
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Originally Posted by Malejyetti
Hi,

would you help me please, how to connect the E67 (CTS-V) ecu to control the PWM bodule fan Bosch 1137328118, please.

It would be really helpfull. I probably don't fully understand what is needed to connect.

Many thanks

Petr
https://lateral-g.net/forums/showthread.php?t=40215
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Originally Posted by Project GatTagO
Thanks for the link, but I figured out the fan + the control box from BMW E90, then I set in HPtunners the frquency for 155Hz, but the output is not coming out of the ECU, I checked with oscilloscope.

Can someone help how to set the ecu to get the PWM signal out of it? I am using the E67 from CTS-V pin 49 connector X3

Many thanks for any help
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Post your question over there. You'll get help
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Originally Posted by Project GatTagO
Post your question over there. You'll get help
Do you mean the link you shared before? OK I will try

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I know this is an old thread, but I would like to try the Chrysler PWM fan module on my car. Heres what I have currently E38 ECU with the F-body dual fan setup, so what I was wondering was if I could use relay #3 which doesn't have battery power on term 30 but when the ECU triggers that relay it closes the contacts and sends term 87 to ground could I use that to trigger the Chrysler PWM, I'll remove the current wiring harness to the fans and build a new one using the Chrysler PWM. I know it would be easier to re-pin the X1 connector but my harness was built by BP automotive and I would prefer to keep it in case I want to switch back.
Heres a picture of the way it's set up for the F-body fans. Thanks for the feed back...
https://ls1tech.com/forums/conversio...e-i-m-5-a.html
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Originally Posted by 79LS1FOX
I know this is an old thread, but I would like to try the Chrysler PWM fan module on my car. Heres what I have currently E38 ECU with the F-body dual fan setup, so what I was wondering was if I could use relay #3 which doesn't have battery power on term 30 but when the ECU triggers that relay it closes the contacts and sends term 87 to ground could I use that to trigger the Chrysler PWM, I'll remove the current wiring harness to the fans and build a new one using the Chrysler PWM. I know it would be easier to re-pin the X1 connector but my harness was built by BP automotive and I would prefer to keep it in case I want to switch back.
Heres a picture of the way it's set up for the F-body fans. Thanks for the feed back...
https://ls1tech.com/forums/conversio...e-i-m-5-a.html
No, because the Chrysler module needs a PWM- signal, not a ground signal. If you send a ground signal, that will be equivalent to 100% duty cycle.

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Thanks Andrew, so what changes pin 58 on the ECU from sending a ground to sending a PWM-signal, because if you look at post 1 he says the control wire goes to X1 pin 58 which is what I'm using to ground the relay. What pin did you use to send the PWM signal on your Cougar set-up.
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Originally Posted by 79LS1FOX
Thanks Andrew, so what changes pin 58 on the ECU from sending a ground to sending a PWM-signal, because if you look at post 1 he says the control wire goes to X1 pin 58 which is what I'm using to ground the relay. What pin did you use to send the PWM signal on your Cougar set-up.
I believe it is a change in the tune. I suggest you read the lateral-g thread that I posted in post#23.

What I did is not really applicable, since I am using the Holley Dominator ECU in my Cougar.

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Thanks again, I just started going through the lateral g stuff lotsa info there. Guess I'll rethink the whole thing,
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Has anyone used this controller with a fan that draws around 25 AMPS? I was planning to use the Corvette controller but the connector shell has been discontinued, thus forcing me to look for other options. The lack of specs concerns me a little since I want this to be a one and done install. I will be running two SPAL 30102044 fans that draw 24 AMPS each. SPAL recommends fusing the fan at 40 AMPS. I would prefer the controller to have a large safety margin at a 24 AMP load.

BTW does anyone have a source for the Corvette controller connector shell?
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You can get the connector from the junk yard...Ford Fusion. Gates also sells the controller and harness for about $180, which isn't bad.
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Originally Posted by TurboTim
Just so everyone isnt confused. Someone listed the 4 wires and the ground and signal wire are actually switched. Last pin is ground. 3rd pin is signal.
First off thanks so much for this thread, I am installing an L83 into a 1970 Checy PU and the fans were the last part I was trying to figure out.

My question is that while I have the dorman (so wires are 2 greens and 2 Purples) - Scott said a few times last wire #4 is SIGNAL - Tim you say its GROUND, can we get a consensus on what it actually is? I dont want to fry anything.....
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Originally Posted by TurboTim
Just so everyone isnt confused. Someone listed the 4 wires and the ground and signal wire are actually switched. Last pin is ground. 3rd pin is signal.
An very old thread, but for those trying this. I missed (read over) Tim's post.
Sadly though because i fried my new controller, I hope i did not damage the ECU of my gen V.
After having it hooked up wrong, and now the right way, like Tim mentioned. Now my fan won't shut down.
This is probably a safety thing that if the unit goed bad, the fans will stay on to save the engine.
Wiring should be.
pin 1 is fused power

pin 2 is output to fan

pin 3 is the control wire

pin 4 ground

I am not sure what to do now, I think I will be going the pwm fan route from a '16 Camaro. Way more expensive but this has also cost me $80,-
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Get another unit and wire it correctly. It should be fine.
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Originally Posted by G Atsma
Get another unit and wire it correctly. It should be fine.
Ar you formiliar with the gen 5 ecu? Do I need ac pressure for the fan to work correct?
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Originally Posted by 2Stimpy
Ar you formiliar with the gen 5 ecu? Do I need ac pressure for the fan to work correct?
That and/or high coolant temps would activate the fans.
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I don't have ac so I also got no sensor or something like that.
I am going to order the same unit to try again and get the fan working.
Hope this controller can handle the 20" 2000 jeep GD Cherokee, cant find any specs on the fan.
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Did you try setting the Desired fan % VS AC pressure table to all 0. With no AC pressure sensor it is probably requesting max fan


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