figured out how to have pwm fans without and expensive module/connector
#22
ok so i figured out how to have pwm fans without the expensive corvette controller with the impossible to find plug
*****disclaimer ******
this works for me it may or may not work for you
most cooling fans can pull a good amount of current
(enough to start a fire if something goes wrong )
make sure the module/relay can support your fan and please insure everything is wired correctly and fused properly
I'm not responsible for what you do to your vehicle/self/grandmother's garage
*****end disclaimer*****
ok so i have been experimenting with various cooling fan control setups for the jeep i'm building (03 wrangler stretched 15" with a 09 4.8/gt45/e85/4l80e/circle d billet converter)
the 09 4.8 runs on a 09 e38 ecm/t42 tcm (with a van calibration)
i wanted my cooling fans to be pwm but i didn't want to spend the money on the corvette module / plug
i have successfully used a 05 caravan/town & country fan controller (04-06 chrysler mini vans used pwm to control the fans from 30% to 100%
the controller is simple and widely available cheap (they even give you a plug most of the time )
although i recommend getting one directly from the chrysler dealer (for reliability) i don't think they come with a plug
i grabbed mine from a local salvage yard as i was unwilling to wait
here is the link for the dorman one on amazon
http://www.amazon.com/Dorman-902-310.../dp/B0053T60SE
$29.61 with free 2 day shipping (if you are a prime member)
the factory wire colors are as follows
orange/red fused 12v+ (had a 40amp fuse from the factory)
dark blue/dark green output to fan (12v+)
dark blue/violet control wire (goes to x1 pin 58 on a e38 ecm
black/dark green ground
for mounting the module has one locating peg and a hole for a hold down bolt
(i drilled a 5/16 hole for the peg and used a self tapping bolt to secure mine to the fender
the efan i'm using on my jeep is from a 02 ford escort which uses a 40a fuse also
after setting up my tune (via efilive) by turning the fan option to pwm electric and setting of the % table (i was careful not set a % lower than 30% as according to the chrysler service manual that is as low as the minivan ecm goes) and i didn't want the burnup the module by making it work outside of its design limits
i was disappointed after initially running the fan test via a tech 2 (scanning as an 09 corvette) as the fan was kicking on and off repeatedly (starting slow and going faster) but that must be how the test is performed as when the engine was warmed up the fans kicked on right as they should and slowly increased in % as the ect went up
i consider it experimental but i'm gonna be driving this thing shortly and so far it has just worked like it is supposed to
so there a gen 4 pwm fan controller for under $30 including the connector
if anybody wants to donate to my alcohol fund so i can drink to forget the 85 pages of service manuals,wiring schematics,and pwm operation technical crap i've read recently then my paypal is scott (dot) elenbaas (at) gmail (dot) com
enjoy your pwm cooling fans!
*****disclaimer ******
this works for me it may or may not work for you
most cooling fans can pull a good amount of current
(enough to start a fire if something goes wrong )
make sure the module/relay can support your fan and please insure everything is wired correctly and fused properly
I'm not responsible for what you do to your vehicle/self/grandmother's garage
*****end disclaimer*****
ok so i have been experimenting with various cooling fan control setups for the jeep i'm building (03 wrangler stretched 15" with a 09 4.8/gt45/e85/4l80e/circle d billet converter)
the 09 4.8 runs on a 09 e38 ecm/t42 tcm (with a van calibration)
i wanted my cooling fans to be pwm but i didn't want to spend the money on the corvette module / plug
i have successfully used a 05 caravan/town & country fan controller (04-06 chrysler mini vans used pwm to control the fans from 30% to 100%
the controller is simple and widely available cheap (they even give you a plug most of the time )
although i recommend getting one directly from the chrysler dealer (for reliability) i don't think they come with a plug
i grabbed mine from a local salvage yard as i was unwilling to wait
here is the link for the dorman one on amazon
http://www.amazon.com/Dorman-902-310.../dp/B0053T60SE
$29.61 with free 2 day shipping (if you are a prime member)
the factory wire colors are as follows
orange/red fused 12v+ (had a 40amp fuse from the factory)
dark blue/dark green output to fan (12v+)
dark blue/violet control wire (goes to x1 pin 58 on a e38 ecm
black/dark green ground
for mounting the module has one locating peg and a hole for a hold down bolt
(i drilled a 5/16 hole for the peg and used a self tapping bolt to secure mine to the fender
the efan i'm using on my jeep is from a 02 ford escort which uses a 40a fuse also
after setting up my tune (via efilive) by turning the fan option to pwm electric and setting of the % table (i was careful not set a % lower than 30% as according to the chrysler service manual that is as low as the minivan ecm goes) and i didn't want the burnup the module by making it work outside of its design limits
i was disappointed after initially running the fan test via a tech 2 (scanning as an 09 corvette) as the fan was kicking on and off repeatedly (starting slow and going faster) but that must be how the test is performed as when the engine was warmed up the fans kicked on right as they should and slowly increased in % as the ect went up
i consider it experimental but i'm gonna be driving this thing shortly and so far it has just worked like it is supposed to
so there a gen 4 pwm fan controller for under $30 including the connector
if anybody wants to donate to my alcohol fund so i can drink to forget the 85 pages of service manuals,wiring schematics,and pwm operation technical crap i've read recently then my paypal is scott (dot) elenbaas (at) gmail (dot) com
enjoy your pwm cooling fans!
Hi,
would you help me please, how to connect the E67 (CTS-V) ecu to control the PWM bodule fan Bosch 1137328118, please.
It would be really helpfull. I probably don't fully understand what is needed to connect.
Many thanks
Petr
#23
TECH Senior Member
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#24
Can someone help how to set the ecu to get the PWM signal out of it? I am using the E67 from CTS-V pin 49 connector X3
Many thanks for any help
#27
I know this is an old thread, but I would like to try the Chrysler PWM fan module on my car. Heres what I have currently E38 ECU with the F-body dual fan setup, so what I was wondering was if I could use relay #3 which doesn't have battery power on term 30 but when the ECU triggers that relay it closes the contacts and sends term 87 to ground could I use that to trigger the Chrysler PWM, I'll remove the current wiring harness to the fans and build a new one using the Chrysler PWM. I know it would be easier to re-pin the X1 connector but my harness was built by BP automotive and I would prefer to keep it in case I want to switch back.
Heres a picture of the way it's set up for the F-body fans. Thanks for the feed back...
https://ls1tech.com/forums/conversio...e-i-m-5-a.html
Heres a picture of the way it's set up for the F-body fans. Thanks for the feed back...
https://ls1tech.com/forums/conversio...e-i-m-5-a.html
#28
TECH Senior Member
iTrader: (7)
I know this is an old thread, but I would like to try the Chrysler PWM fan module on my car. Heres what I have currently E38 ECU with the F-body dual fan setup, so what I was wondering was if I could use relay #3 which doesn't have battery power on term 30 but when the ECU triggers that relay it closes the contacts and sends term 87 to ground could I use that to trigger the Chrysler PWM, I'll remove the current wiring harness to the fans and build a new one using the Chrysler PWM. I know it would be easier to re-pin the X1 connector but my harness was built by BP automotive and I would prefer to keep it in case I want to switch back.
Heres a picture of the way it's set up for the F-body fans. Thanks for the feed back...
https://ls1tech.com/forums/conversio...e-i-m-5-a.html
Heres a picture of the way it's set up for the F-body fans. Thanks for the feed back...
https://ls1tech.com/forums/conversio...e-i-m-5-a.html
Andrew
#29
Thanks Andrew, so what changes pin 58 on the ECU from sending a ground to sending a PWM-signal, because if you look at post 1 he says the control wire goes to X1 pin 58 which is what I'm using to ground the relay. What pin did you use to send the PWM signal on your Cougar set-up.
#30
TECH Senior Member
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Thanks Andrew, so what changes pin 58 on the ECU from sending a ground to sending a PWM-signal, because if you look at post 1 he says the control wire goes to X1 pin 58 which is what I'm using to ground the relay. What pin did you use to send the PWM signal on your Cougar set-up.
What I did is not really applicable, since I am using the Holley Dominator ECU in my Cougar.
Andrew
#32
Has anyone used this controller with a fan that draws around 25 AMPS? I was planning to use the Corvette controller but the connector shell has been discontinued, thus forcing me to look for other options. The lack of specs concerns me a little since I want this to be a one and done install. I will be running two SPAL 30102044 fans that draw 24 AMPS each. SPAL recommends fusing the fan at 40 AMPS. I would prefer the controller to have a large safety margin at a 24 AMP load.
BTW does anyone have a source for the Corvette controller connector shell?
BTW does anyone have a source for the Corvette controller connector shell?
#34
My question is that while I have the dorman (so wires are 2 greens and 2 Purples) - Scott said a few times last wire #4 is SIGNAL - Tim you say its GROUND, can we get a consensus on what it actually is? I dont want to fry anything.....
#35
Sadly though because i fried my new controller, I hope i did not damage the ECU of my gen V.
After having it hooked up wrong, and now the right way, like Tim mentioned. Now my fan won't shut down.
This is probably a safety thing that if the unit goed bad, the fans will stay on to save the engine.
Wiring should be.
pin 1 is fused power
pin 2 is output to fan
pin 3 is the control wire
pin 4 ground
I am not sure what to do now, I think I will be going the pwm fan route from a '16 Camaro. Way more expensive but this has also cost me $80,-
#36
TECH Senior Member
Get another unit and wire it correctly. It should be fine.
#38
TECH Senior Member
#39
I don't have ac so I also got no sensor or something like that.
I am going to order the same unit to try again and get the fan working.
Hope this controller can handle the 20" 2000 jeep GD Cherokee, cant find any specs on the fan.
I am going to order the same unit to try again and get the fan working.
Hope this controller can handle the 20" 2000 jeep GD Cherokee, cant find any specs on the fan.