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Roger,
thanks. Do you think that if you had left the vette pulley/accessories stock that it would've fit?
What about rear clearance to the firewall? If the engine were shifted back 1", would that help clearance? Is there room to move it back another inch?
Jeff
thanks. Do you think that if you had left the vette pulley/accessories stock that it would've fit?
What about rear clearance to the firewall? If the engine were shifted back 1", would that help clearance? Is there room to move it back another inch?
Jeff
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Jemo, take a look at the Caddy CTSv set-up. Mounts accessories similar to the f-body but closer to the engine.
I think you might have another, perhaps more serious, problem with oil pan clearance. GTO engines that I have seen do not have rear sump oil pans. Even a rear sump pan and oil pick-up tube need to be modified (S&P and others can do it) but the others don't have a chance of fitting in a tri-five. They can be swapped but more $$$ involved.
I think you might have another, perhaps more serious, problem with oil pan clearance. GTO engines that I have seen do not have rear sump oil pans. Even a rear sump pan and oil pick-up tube need to be modified (S&P and others can do it) but the others don't have a chance of fitting in a tri-five. They can be swapped but more $$$ involved.
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Yes, the Vette pully would have worked fine. No, I would not be able to move my engine back...in fact, the coil cover on the passenger side just barely clears the firewall.
The Corvette pan would not work. I don't know about GTO.
The pan that S&P modifies needs to be a Camaro Z pan (I don't know if that is different from GTO or not. A call to S&P may answer that).
The Corvette pan would not work. I don't know about GTO.
The pan that S&P modifies needs to be a Camaro Z pan (I don't know if that is different from GTO or not. A call to S&P may answer that).
6.0ltr truck I just puchased a 2002 truck with the 6.0 engine/4l80e tranny combo, and I'm going to put it into a 57 2dr post car.
Does anyone know about the oil pan clearance issues with this engine/tranny setup?
D Moss
Does anyone know about the oil pan clearance issues with this engine/tranny setup?
D Moss
Yes, I wont work unless you would set the egine way high or the oil pan will hang below the crossmember. I used a f body pan that I modified in the front to clear the steering.
I just picked up a 56 Pontiac Chieftain wagon with a 317. I am considering going with a 5.3 or 6.0 & 4L60. Will the Chev motor mounts discussed throughout this thread work for this chassis?
Last edited by slow4dr; Jun 11, 2007 at 08:31 PM.
Upon further inspection I think I found the answer. The Pontiac engine mounts are located at the front and rear of the engine(no side mounts) so if I go this route it will have to be all custom.
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Another Tri-5 conversion going on here...
I bought a 57 Nomad about 2 months ago, where the previous owner had installed a 2002 Camaro LS1 with matching T56 trans and a Lincoln Versailles rear end. He's got it mounted in the stock frame, and was starting to wire it up and lost interest for another project. (My lucky day!)
See the link below my signature for pics. I have a million questions to throw at you guys on some details about this that I may change...but overall the PO did a very nice job on the custom motor mounts, custom AC bracket(raising it to the top just in front of the passenger head), clutch and PCM install, etc.
My biggest concern as I map out where to start is to reconsider the use of the stock fuel tank "without baffles" which is plumbed up for a return line, and external prefilter, pump, post filter/regulator. Not sure that small tank is the way to go...considering a new tank with internal pump. I would love to hear from any of you who have some experience with external pumps and stock "unbaffled tanks" for your LSX conversions.
More to come...
Paul.
I bought a 57 Nomad about 2 months ago, where the previous owner had installed a 2002 Camaro LS1 with matching T56 trans and a Lincoln Versailles rear end. He's got it mounted in the stock frame, and was starting to wire it up and lost interest for another project. (My lucky day!)
See the link below my signature for pics. I have a million questions to throw at you guys on some details about this that I may change...but overall the PO did a very nice job on the custom motor mounts, custom AC bracket(raising it to the top just in front of the passenger head), clutch and PCM install, etc.
My biggest concern as I map out where to start is to reconsider the use of the stock fuel tank "without baffles" which is plumbed up for a return line, and external prefilter, pump, post filter/regulator. Not sure that small tank is the way to go...considering a new tank with internal pump. I would love to hear from any of you who have some experience with external pumps and stock "unbaffled tanks" for your LSX conversions.
More to come...
Paul.
Originally Posted by slow4dr
Upon further inspection I think I found the answer. The Pontiac engine mounts are located at the front and rear of the engine(no side mounts) so if I go this route it will have to be all custom.
David
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Originally Posted by slow4dr
Upon further inspection I think I found the answer. The Pontiac engine mounts are located at the front and rear of the engine(no side mounts) so if I go this route it will have to be all custom.
As noted right above...that is what I did in my '56 Chevy. I used S&P Mounts. If the frame is the same, then I suspect you'll have no problem.
Interestingly, the rear mounts are NOT used.
Originally Posted by diognes56
You could also use a 55-57 Chevy side motor mount conversion with LS1 adapter plates and a 700R4 mounting kit. The frames are the same.
David
David
Originally Posted by ewingr
Stock engine mounts for that year even on the Chevy is front and rear of engine.
As noted right above...that is what I did in my '56 Chevy. I used S&P Mounts. If the frame is the same, then I suspect you'll have no problem.
Interestingly, the rear mounts are NOT used.
As noted right above...that is what I did in my '56 Chevy. I used S&P Mounts. If the frame is the same, then I suspect you'll have no problem.
Interestingly, the rear mounts are NOT used.
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Well, I followed your advice on switched out the GTO oil pan for a Camaro pan. I just got it back from S&P this week and have been slowly putting it back on. I'm a little confused on the instructions about what type of sealant to use and where it goes on the block. I read on here that someone's pickup tube was bent incorrectly.....I haven't put the pan up close to the block yet to see if that is alright but we'll see.
Anyone have any luck selling the stock motor mounts from the original car? (Corvette, GTO, or f-body) Just wondering if there is a market for those.
About the motor mounts, I already have the adaptor plates but for the side mount, is S&P the only option or can any Chevy SBC side mount kit work?
Jeff
Anyone have any luck selling the stock motor mounts from the original car? (Corvette, GTO, or f-body) Just wondering if there is a market for those.
About the motor mounts, I already have the adaptor plates but for the side mount, is S&P the only option or can any Chevy SBC side mount kit work?
Jeff
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I did not use any sealant the gasket is attached to the pan with
pop rivets and this was a great concern to me because i had to
return the pan to s&p because of it. He sent it with a broken
gasket riveted to the pan.
guess I could have bought my own. Anyway I amhaving issues
with the pick up tube. KNow that many are also. oil pressure
was okay at first but now is zero at idle.
pop rivets and this was a great concern to me because i had to
return the pan to s&p because of it. He sent it with a broken
gasket riveted to the pan.
guess I could have bought my own. Anyway I amhaving issues
with the pick up tube. KNow that many are also. oil pressure
was okay at first but now is zero at idle.
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Jemo and DLSNFL
You might try posting a specific thread on your oil pan problems. Many may not read down in this thread. I think I've seen you guys talking also out in Chevytalk. I'm watching those threads with interest.
I'll be watching my oil pressure real close when I pick mine up from the interior shop in a couple weeks. You guys have me concerned.
Hope the pressure stays good. I hope to drive it back home, and it's about 80 miles from home. It will be my first drive, other than onto the trailer to get it there for the interior and exhaust hookups.
You might try posting a specific thread on your oil pan problems. Many may not read down in this thread. I think I've seen you guys talking also out in Chevytalk. I'm watching those threads with interest.
I'll be watching my oil pressure real close when I pick mine up from the interior shop in a couple weeks. You guys have me concerned.
Hope the pressure stays good. I hope to drive it back home, and it's about 80 miles from home. It will be my first drive, other than onto the trailer to get it there for the interior and exhaust hookups.
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Thanks Roger,
I'm still not sure what to do but I am going to go ahead and put the pan back on tonight. I did go buy another o-ring today just to be safe. I can't decide whether to take the windage tray off like you did or just leave it on. It fits the modified pan with no problem.
Please let us know in a few weeks if your pressure was good.
Jeff
I'm still not sure what to do but I am going to go ahead and put the pan back on tonight. I did go buy another o-ring today just to be safe. I can't decide whether to take the windage tray off like you did or just leave it on. It fits the modified pan with no problem.
Please let us know in a few weeks if your pressure was good.
Jeff
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Hi Jeff
I'm agreeing with some on the other forum. If it fits and clears, seems like it should be on.
I don't remember...seems like maybe Mark made some kind of statement about "With less oil, you don't want it on".
In my case, mine is all together, and would be a drage to change. But you have time to do a little more investigation. You might consider calling Mark again, and tell him about the conflicting information you got from S&P (didn't you say one fella there said leave it on, and Mark said take it off?). He may say "Sure, if it clears everythign, leave it on".
I'm agreeing with some on the other forum. If it fits and clears, seems like it should be on.
I don't remember...seems like maybe Mark made some kind of statement about "With less oil, you don't want it on".
In my case, mine is all together, and would be a drage to change. But you have time to do a little more investigation. You might consider calling Mark again, and tell him about the conflicting information you got from S&P (didn't you say one fella there said leave it on, and Mark said take it off?). He may say "Sure, if it clears everythign, leave it on".
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Yeah.....sounds good, Roger. Seems like it can't do any harm. It does shield the bottom end from the pan but on or off, oil is still delivered to the pump the same way. I'll see what I can find out.
Does anybody know if the Autokraft oil pan will fit our cars? It is ment for 1st gen Camaro/Firebird LS1 swaps, but I am curious because it doesn't look like it would take up much more space than the Milodon pan for our cars.
Autokraft
Milodon
David
Autokraft
Milodon
David
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Got it going -> Pics Well, some of you may have seen my post about problems running and tranny in other sections. But at least I have it looking done. Oh, new interior too.
Here are some pics:
With air bags up:
With air bags down:
Ghost Flames:
Interior:
Engine
Here are some pics:
With air bags up:
With air bags down:
Ghost Flames:
Interior:
Engine