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Old 10-23-2021, 11:30 AM
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402 ci ls2
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373 gears
26" tire
500 wheel hp and 430 tq
lca reolacted to bottom hole
BMR TA -2 pinion
aftermarket phb and lca
Viking fronts and rears
Fronts are 14c 6r
Rears are 12c and 8r

rears were at 12 and 5 and it hit too hard and went towards the wall

ending the track at like 5700 rpm. I know this needs gear and or gear and tire

Tires at 18 psi
et street r 275 50 15

Car just seems to not want to 60 very hard. This isn't a 1.8 car. Rear end doesn't look like it's separating to me. Any suggestions?

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Is the car spinning at all? It's hard to tell from the video, but it looks like it's hooking up and going. Also, what is the weight? The MPH seems way down for making 500rwhp unless she is very heavy. My old cam/converter Camaro was ~3100lbs, but with stock suspension she ran the same et of 11.69 but at 115mph with a 1.55 60ft. running a cheap TCI 3500 converter and 275/60 MT's and 3.23 gears and dynoed 360rwhp on a Dynojet. My guess is yours should be running at least 10.80's @ 124 since you're in AZ and not some crazy high elevation. I don't see a huge mismatch in your mods, so something just doesn't seem to add up.

Sorry not super helpful, but just trying to give some input based on what I watched
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How are you leaving ?
That stall is too small im my opinion but should still 60' better than that.

my car only made 430/380 and you can see my time in my sig.
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Get the tires hot first and foremost.. Are you on a trans brake and what RPM are you launching at? Suspension set up right? Tires make a difference and nice hit BTW..

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Originally Posted by madmike9396
How are you leaving ?
That stall is too small im my opinion but should still 60' better than that.

my car only made 430/380 and you can see my time in my sig.
what’s the details on your car?
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Originally Posted by Bspeck82
https://youtu.be/RxlHghlTggU




402 ci ls2
​3600 circle d 3c
373 gears
26" tire
500 wheel hp and 430 tq
lca reolacted to bottom hole
BMR TA -2 pinion
aftermarket phb and lca
Viking fronts and rears
Fronts are 14c 6r
Rears are 12c and 8r

rears were at 12 and 5 and it hit too hard and went towards the wall

ending the track at like 5700 rpm. I know this needs gear and or gear and tire

Tires at 18 psi
et street r 275 50 15

Car just seems to not want to 60 very hard. This isn't a 1.8 car. Rear end doesn't look like it's separating to me. Any suggestions?
I’m curious what cam you’re running. You should be 11.0 or better with those hp/tq numbers. I would move up to a 4K stall, but that’s not necessarily your problem. I run a 4K stall, 3.90 gears and a 26x10.5 MT et street R bias ply and was pulling 1.6 60’....stock front struts, no sway bar and rear Viking shocks but not sure of the setting as mu buddy set them up. I also cross the line at 66-6700. More gear is going to help some, but a taller tire will lower rpm at the line
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Originally Posted by 98CamZ28
Is the car spinning at all? It's hard to tell from the video, but it looks like it's hooking up and going. Also, what is the weight? The MPH seems way down for making 500rwhp unless she is very heavy. My old cam/converter Camaro was ~3100lbs, but with stock suspension she ran the same et of 11.69 but at 115mph with a 1.55 60ft. running a cheap TCI 3500 converter and 275/60 MT's and 3.23 gears and dynoed 360rwhp on a Dynojet. My guess is yours should be running at least 10.80's @ 124 since you're in AZ and not some crazy high elevation. I don't see a huge mismatch in your mods, so something just doesn't seem to add up.

Sorry not super helpful, but just trying to give some input based on what I watched
car is hooking up once I added 3 clicks to the rebound, but now it's lazier off the line, the first pass it hit the tires extremely hard and the car pulled hard left. Full weight car plus driver and 9 inch. AZ may not be high in elevation but the air is still bad. Average DA is 3500 at that track. Over 5000 in tuscon.
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Originally Posted by 01CamaroSSTx
Get the tires hot first and foremost.. Are you on a trans brake and what RPM are you launching at? Suspension set up right? Tires make a difference and nice hit BTW..
no brake. Tried flash and foot brake. The car went better when it was flashed. Suspension is in question, it's definitely not optimized but I'm not sure where to go from here. I'm thinking the front needs to come up faster.
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Originally Posted by PARMY
what’s the details on your car?
402
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tick 236/245 112+3 cam
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3.70 gear
26" tires
Circle d 3600 3c
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bmr TA, phb, sfc, lca, -2 pinion
tires are et streets
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Originally Posted by PARMY
I’m curious what cam you’re running. You should be 11.0 or better with those hp/tq numbers. I would move up to a 4K stall, but that’s not necessarily your problem. I run a 4K stall, 3.90 gears and a 26x10.5 MT et street R bias ply and was pulling 1.6 60’....stock front struts, no sway bar and rear Viking shocks but not sure of the setting as mu buddy set them up. I also cross the line at 66-6700. More gear is going to help some, but a taller tire will lower rpm at the line
tick 236/245 112+3
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So with that cam you wanna be 6500+ through the trap....I’d say it wants more gear
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You don't need more gear to take 2 to 3 tenths off that sixty. What's the tune like during launch? Are you logging?
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Originally Posted by PARMY
what’s the details on your car?
Fast 92
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If its already dead hooking you don't need the front end coming up quicker.

I may have missed it. what size tire are you running ?


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no brake. Tried flash and foot brake. The car went better when it was flashed. Suspension is in question, it's definitely not optimized but I'm not sure where to go from here. I'm thinking the front needs to come up faster.
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Originally Posted by ddnspider
You don't need more gear to take 2 to 3 tenths off that sixty. What's the tune like during launch? Are you logging?

You’re correct but he needs more gear to be at a higher trap rpm
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Originally Posted by ddnspider
You don't need more gear to take 2 to 3 tenths off that sixty. What's the tune like during launch? Are you logging?
not really, car was tuned by nicd and I have full faith and confidence the engine is running correctly. I was using torque app to monitor and log various parameters. Nothing was knocking, no issues with fuel or voltage. Everything seems fine.
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Originally Posted by madmike9396
If its already dead hooking you don't need the front end coming up quicker.

I may have missed it. what size tire are you running ?
26" 275/50/15 et streets
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Originally Posted by PARMY
You’re correct but he needs more gear to be at a higher trap rpm
His trap will gain simply from getting a better 60'. Something is holding it back out of the hole.

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not really, car was tuned by nicd and I have full faith and confidence the engine is running correctly. I was using torque app to monitor and log various parameters. Nothing was knocking, no issues with fuel or voltage. Everything seems fine.
You really need to get either HPT or EFI and log the pass. You dont know if somethings happening during launch, or what your converter slip is on the top end which could also be the problem. My guess is either its not on all 8 cylinders, your converter is lousy, or something is off in the tune. I would also take a look at MAP on the big end and see if you have an intake restriction. I went 1.6x on an intake/exhaust stock LS1 with a 3200 stall.

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Here is a better video of the launch
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It doesn't look like it spun at all on the hit. What RPM did you launch at?


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