mattf2

Bob,

We'll limit your shift points to 6400

I pretty much run the same stuff that you mention, but take the sway bar out and leave in the full interior. (minus floor mats) Sway bar is 5 minutes, give or take.

depending on how I run Saturday, maybe I'll start ripping stuff out of it after each run. <img border="0" alt="[Burnout]" title="" src="graemlins/burnout.gif" />

TITAN

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Terry Burger:
<strong>Come on Joe we all know you had a 396 bottom end in the car when you ran those numbers... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">How did you find out Terry! I have the slowest H/C Big Bore in History!!! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />

I really want 11's out of this setup (no headers, no suspension work, at this weight) before I go with TP4400, FLP's, Hals, etc and some weight reduction...(and then H/C next summer sometime hopefully)...but with our tracks around here it might not be in the cards...

Joe

The Juggernaut

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11.75@116.5(1.72)3400#,except I had no passenger seat and no front bumper support.
I still had A/C,air bags,carpet,ect.

RAGEman

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Bob Cosby:
<strong>LOL. I like this! I can beat the snot out of Rageman on this list. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" /> With the exception of the front sway bar, my signature internet ET fits those rules....well ok, except that it is not an LS1, of course. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Yeah, but with nearly 300 fewer pounds, stickier tires, and a much stronger drivetrain, with much more suitable gears for the 1/4-mile! What exactly makes your car so light? I'd be willing to bet that if I could do the same weight reduction you've done, with some gears and a good drivetrain, I could beat your 11.67. I mean, I'm not mad or anything, I'm just saying. So lemme know what you've done, PM it to me if you want (I won't tell anyone), and I'll take the challenge because I'll have a 4.56-geared 9" soon enough. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" /> I like challenges!! So far my challenges are...

-Be at the top of this list
-Beat Bob's 11.67 with the same weight reduction he's done
-Be at the top of the real bolt-on list (not just the M6 list)

Now, as far as who wins the title for this list...I don't know...speaking only for my M6 brethren, I know Jason99T/A has run 11.80 and Bad Habit Bird has run 11.83. I'm sure some of the A4 guys have run quicker. Anyway, does anyone else have a challenge they'd like to make?

Bob Cosby

LOL. Nah, lets just freeze this 'list' as it is now. Or maybe not....it'll give old Joe something else to bitch about. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />

Now don't pull that "if I weighed this" or "if I hooked like that" arguement on me. I could always give ya the "if I had 5.7 liters" arguement. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />

In all seriousness, I have no secrets, and no problem at all sharing everything I've done - including weight reduction. In 100% stock trim, my 99 Cobra weighed 3575 with me in the car. To get down to my current 3225 lbs, I did the following (some weights are approx, as I can't remember the exact numbers)....

8.8 vice IRS - 85 lbs
Manual cloth seats from a 95 V6 Mustang - 50 lbs
Centerline Wheels - 50 lbs
Spare & Jack - 35 lbs
Rear seat delete kit - 30 lbs
Replace Mach 460 with aftermarket CD/Stereo - 25 lbs
Dynobatt battery - 25 lbs
Remove front swaybar - 15 lbs
Baer S/S front brakes - 10 lbs
Driver goes on diet - 25 lbs

There are a whole bunch of things I can still do to lose weight if I wanted to get really serious (which I won't). That includes things like the A/C, heater core/blower, air bags, bumper supports, passenger seat etc, etc. About the only thing I'm likely to do in this regard is replace the hood with a lighter full-fiberglass unit (should save about 20 lbs). However, it is a virtual certainty that I'll have to add a rollbar before March, because if I race in F/S this year, I will be 11 second capable, and you have to be legal to race (including scattershield, which I'm mulling over right now).

BTW....I hope everyone realizes that this is all in fun. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />

VINCE

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Whats up Mark..? Your car rides out with full weight.. That's how I like to run my car.. I am trying to get back to 12.20's and below.. I really just need to practice and put some DR's back on the car. I think I can get a 12 flat if I run 315 nittos, remove spare/jack/12 disc player/backseat/seatbelts and finally open up cutout at the track..

CamaroCain

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<img border="0" alt="[whiner]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_cry.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[whiner]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_cry.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[whiner]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_cry.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[whiner]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_cry.gif" />
What is it with you people that think you need a specialized list because you decided to buy an all option car that weighs 3600+ lbs? And then you rag on other people for doing certain things to there cars like pulling stuff off/out of the car?
Why can't you all just SHUT UP AND RACE!? If you are out there running to be on some stupid list, then you are running for the wrong reasons I think. I have mods done to my car and then get out there and run it to HAVE FUN. Anything I do I do for myself, not to for anyone else out there. So please just quit yer bitchin for once and let the moderators and other people on the board do the list the way they want it to. Ok, enough said.

Lynda

VINCE

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Sorry Lynda... I personally did not think I was whining or putting down others that made a choice to do something I think is different .. It's America right? You can do what you want.. Let's take a look at this for just a second shall we.. The object is to go fast right? Do you think a lighter car OTHER THAN A 98 to 02 F-body or C5 would have been more appropriate? I would think so.. Back to the story.. Individual goes out and purchase a 25k plus car.. TAKE OUT THE INTERIOR. Buy a $2500 rearend. Put slicks on the car. Maybe do engine modications. Maybe do Tranny modifications. Go to the track on several occassions. Then post that time on the board. Why? It must be fun to some people.. Now others do not want to strip their cars down and would like to know how they compare to other cars that are not stripped. i.e., Vipers, Porsche TT's, Ferrari's, etc.. To me that is what I want to know.. If I want a 10 sec street car then I will build a engine capable of a 9 seconds in the 1/4th. Will it see 9 sec's? No, no stripping here.. Am I whining..? I do not think so.. Am I putting down my peers who are willing to strip their cars..? No.. It's just a preference..

McRat

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by CamaroCain:
<strong> <img border="0" alt="[whiner]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_cry.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[whiner]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_cry.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[whiner]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_cry.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[whiner]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_cry.gif" />
What is it with you people that think you need a specialized list because you decided to buy an all option car that weighs 3600+ lbs? And then you rag on other people for doing certain things to there cars like pulling stuff off/out of the car?
Why can't you all just SHUT UP AND RACE!? If you are out there running to be on some stupid list, then you are running for the wrong reasons I think. I have mods done to my car and then get out there and run it to HAVE FUN. Anything I do I do for myself, not to for anyone else out there. So please just quit yer bitchin for once and let the moderators and other people on the board do the list the way they want it to. Ok, enough said.

Lynda</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">What really matters is how you run compared to the car in the next lane. Irregardless of actual ET's or mods. A win is a win. White slips rule.

I'd rather have a 12.0 car in Denver than a 11.5 car at Atco... IMO.

IndyZ28

I can meet all the requirments except the front sway bar rule. If you ever drove a mid 80's G-body around, you wouldn't be bothered at all by not having a sway bar on a 98+ F-body.

On stock front wheels and ET Streets, Direct Flo lid, gutted cats, Ram clutch, no back seats, FTRA, K&N, no jack or spare: 12.09@113.97 1.77 short time.

On 3.5" skinnies and stock RSA's on back, Direct Flo lid, Hooker LT's, custom dual exhaust, Ram clutch, no back seats, FTRA, K&N, no jack or spare, MAF ends: 12.44@116.5 2.0X short time.

Never got the chance to run the skinnies and the ET Street's at the same time. Probably would have gotten me into the 11's.

DailyAluminumBlock

Extemely well said vince. It is nice to know how I compare to others that have a similiar setup as I. I don't thing I will keep an actual list like the bolt ons list but just want to see more what other people in the same boat I am in are doing.

Weight savings are great and these times I see of no nonsense bolt ons cars are amazing. It is also nice to know that if I take all of the crap out of my care I to can run these numbers. Its not that I am too lazy but just like the idea of having all the stuff in the car that is in there right now. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />

2QuickZ's

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by IndyZ28:
<strong>On stock front wheels and ET Streets, Direct Flo lid, gutted cats, Ram clutch, no back seats, FTRA, K&N, no jack or spare: 12.09@113.97 1.77 short time.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">**** James! Reading this made me realize how much farther I have to go. Maybe the Ram clutch and some weight reduction will get me to 114 mph. Did you have an exhaust on the car when you made that run? I should be putting the Ram clutch in this spring. BTW - If you want to borrow some E/T Streets (or Drags) and skinnies this spring, let me know. I'd be happy to help you out! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />

Anyway, my best is in my sig along with my mods. Only weight reduction was spare tire and jack. Stock wheels/tires up front with salad shooters and BFG DR's out back. The clutch slipped on the launch on that run. Car should have been around 3550 lbs with me in it I'm guessing. It's a no option car (well, except GSC tires).

<small>[ November 19, 2002, 07:43 PM: Message edited by: 2QuickZ's ]</small>

Bob Cosby

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I'd rather have a 12.0 car in Denver than a 11.5 car at Atco... IMO. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Me too! Cause if it runs 12.0's in Denver, it'll run 11.0's at Atco.

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CamaroCain

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by VINCE:
<strong>Sorry Lynda... I personally did not think I was whining or putting down others that made a choice to do something I think is different .. It's America right? You can do what you want.. Let's take a look at this for just a second shall we.. The object is to go fast right? Do you think a lighter car OTHER THAN A 98 to 02 F-body or C5 would have been more appropriate? I would think so.. Back to the story.. Individual goes out and purchase a 25k plus car.. TAKE OUT THE INTERIOR. Buy a $2500 rearend. Put slicks on the car. Maybe do engine modications. Maybe do Tranny modifications. Go to the track on several occassions. Then post that time on the board. Why? It must be fun to some people.. Now others do not want to strip their cars down and would like to know how they compare to other cars that are not stripped. i.e., Vipers, Porsche TT's, Ferrari's, etc.. To me that is what I want to know.. If I want a 10 sec street car then I will build a engine capable of a 9 seconds in the 1/4th. Will it see 9 sec's? No, no stripping here.. Am I whining..? I do not think so.. Am I putting down my peers who are willing to strip their cars..? No.. It's just a preference..</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">That is why all the list already produced on this board require you to list things like weight. I mean it's just never ending, next someone will want a special list because there track is at worse elevation than others people run at. There are lots of things that make a difference in your times besides the weight of your cars or what kind of car you have (weather,DA,mods,track prep,etc). I never said there is anything wrong with posting your results, I just said if that is your main reason for getting out there to run your car then IMO, you are doing it for the wrong reasons. I think people should be proud of a new best and post up, I like to read those post. I also never said there is anything wrong with spending whatever you want on a car if that's what you want and doing whatever you want to it. But I think the list we have now on the boards are fair. That's all.

Lynda

IndyZ28

Actually, now that I think about it. I didn't have the intermediate pipe, muffler, or tips on the car for the 12.09 run. I was between exhausts at the time and was running the open y-pipe. Raceweight was a controversial(sp?) 3340lbs. Being 5'6" 130lbs. has it's advantages in drag racing.

Thanks for the offer Scott. I picked the 01 up from your house about 2 weeks ago. Except for the headers (I'm working on it), all the mods are off the car. Over the winter I will be concentrating on getting an engine into the 93. I am going to add all the power stuff to the 01 that I want like windows, locks, mirrors, etc. The 93 will be the new (to me) speed demon.

<small>[ November 19, 2002, 08:04 PM: Message edited by: IndyZ28 ]</small>

McRat

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Bob Cosby:
<strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I'd rather have a 12.0 car in Denver than a 11.5 car at Atco... IMO. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Me too! Cause if it runs 12.0's in Denver, it'll run 11.0's at Atco.

<img border="0" alt="[Fluffy]" title="" src="graemlins/fluffy.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Not if you live in Denver... The slip will still say 12.0, and everyone will think you're slow. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />

VINCE

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Can you believe when I graduated from high school I weighed only 165lbs at 6 foot 6 inches. Sounds like I should have started drag racing back then.. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" /> Chris I am going to look into your list, but keep the safety features.. My car has pretty much every option available that adds weight.. I even think my Pewter paint job is heavy.. In my situation getting down to a raceweight of 3600lbs would make me happy as long as I still can enjoy the options that I purchased with the car.. I like my ZR1's. Especially the heavy 17x11's out back.. If I never see 11's with my current setup it does not matter. I know I am only..

LW hood (25-37 pounds)
LW battery (Hawker 18)
K-Member A-Arms (44 pounds)
! No AC (~35 pounds)
! front bumper support (23 pounds)
! front swaybar (13.5 pounds)
! washer bottle (3 pounds?)
! pass airbag (13.5 pounds)
! drivers airbag (lightweight wheel 4 pounds)
light weight carpet (30 pounds)
modified seat brackets (6 pounds)
or LW seat (15 pounds)
HALs up front (8 pounds)
! heat sheilding underneath the car (8 pounds)
! AIR pump, Cruise control, EGR (11 pounds)
! jack and spare

Away from it.. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />

TITAN

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12.08 @ 111.57....car only has spare and jack removed and raceweight is 3650 lbs (I weigh about 210 or so, maybe a little less)....on ET Streets...can won't hook, spins, best 60' is a 1.69...

Joe

<small>[ November 19, 2002, 01:12 PM: Message edited by: TITAN ]</small>

RAGEman

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Bob, all right, fine, what will it take for me/my car to be legit in your eyes? 12.03 is by far the best my car will do at FULL weight (no weight reduction at all). See above for the particulars on that run. Nitto drag radials, not nearly as sticky as BFG's. Mild temps, but very humid air and a low barometer. Stock 3.42 gears and a slipping clutch. I'll change the challenge to "run 11.66 @ 3500 lbs." I think 11.60 is possible with a grabbing clutch and a hooking 4.56 9" setup in good air.

It's fine if you like to race at full weight, that's absolutely great. I do it too. This is not like some either-or thing where if you strip your interior once, you HAVE to do it every time. I can strip my car down to the chassis and drivetrain, and run a mid 10, and still put it back together and see where I stand against a TT Porsche (which is a freaking awesome car, BTW) on the highway. My main points are these: 1) what matters (in actual racing at least, not in personal opinions of legitimacy or looks) is the actual weight of the vehicle, not how you get there, and 2) like my friend Vince said, IT'S A PREFERENCE. Just because you don't want to remove weight from your car (for whatever reason, whether it's laziness, fear of someone thinking it's not legitimate, or just plain you don't see the point in it or don't care) doesn't mean that times run by people who do it are somehow lesser accomplishments.

DailyAluminumBlock, I replied to your PM. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />

<small>[ November 20, 2002, 02:03 AM: Message edited by: RAGEman ]</small>

Bob Cosby

Wow dude....relax. I wouldn't worry one bit about "what will it take for me/my car to be legit in your eyes?" It's your car, your decisions, your everything. What I or someone else does or thinks should be pretty much irrelevant.

If I were *that* worried about it, I'd strip my own car, do half a dozen other mods that I can't do because of class rules, and see what mine would run if it looked like the fastest of the gutted tin cans that are here. But I'm not. I'm simply having a bit of fun (harmless fun, I think), and keeping up with some internet competition.

Don't take me as any *threat* to you - I'm not. I don't view anybody here as a *threat* to me - they're not. Its just fun, and perhaps a little friendly competition....nothing more and nothing less....at least in my eyes.

Go take a big wiff of some tire smoke, ok? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />

BTW, my best run at close to full weight was at Atco this past August. 3460 lbs (class rules dictate 3450 for me), BFG DR's - 12.02 @ 111 mph. You can bet your *** that I added the necessary weight to the rear of the car, too. That could be used as an arguement to suggest that how you get to a certain weight DOES matter. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />

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