Joe Kizzire

Mikey explain how you made up the .05 sec you lost in the 60ft time from run three to run four while only running .46mph fast in the eighth while the et's were only .0013 sec difference.

I know the answer I just want to see how many other people can figure it out...

bigSS

1.29 60 ft! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="gr_eek2.gif" /> Holly hell, Mikey, your car is movin! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />

mikey

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Well Joe, you actually got me thinking, and you're right, the car should have et'ed better with the 1.299 short. Looking back through the videos and slips, I figured it out.

After most every run, I fooled with the suspension limiters and shock settings. Early on, the track was a little slick so I raised the travel and took some out of the shocks.

There was one run that I pulled the shift early because the car tried to wheel stand again. Look at the video and see for yourself. This is the run I pulled second before the light which is why the MPH was lower. If I would have ridden the wheelstand out, the et and MPH would have been better. The four 9.78 slips show that the MPH on the 1.299 short was lower than all other runs. I was also adding fuel between some of the runs so the weight was changing a little. The last run, I moved my shift point a little lower too.

Here are all four 9.78 slips:

Run 1:
9:25am
60': 1.330
1/8: 6.207
MPH: 110.14
1/4: 9.787
MPH: 136.72

Run 2(suspension change):
10:04am
60': 1.299 (wheel stand)
1/8: 6.193
MPH: 109.79
1/4: 9.789
MPH: 136.07

Run 3: (tighten suspension again)
10:27am
60': 1.318
1/8: 6.203
MPH: 110.03
1/4: 9.785
MPH: 136.76

Run 4: (hot lapped)
10:38am
60': 1.350 (slight tire haze)
1.8: 6.207
MPH: 110.25
1/4: 9.783
MPH: 136.88

There you go bud...

George 30th Aniv SS Conv

Mikey

1.299 60' is absolutely AWESOME! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
More people should appreciate the knowledge that Steve possesses and the quality of his suspension parts. http://www.spohn.net/

As soon as my car is finished it will be back at Steve's shop, for the installation of a New and total custom Spohn rear suspension. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />

Keep at it, 9.6's are just a couple of track days away.

George
30th Aniv SS Conv

<small>[ December 01, 2002, 09:34 AM: Message edited by: George 30th Aniv SS Conv ]</small>

mikey

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by George 30th Aniv SS Conv:
<strong>Mikey

1.299 60' is absolutely AWESOME! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
More people should appreciate the knowledge that Steve possesses and the quality of his suspension parts.
As soon as my car is finished it will be back at Steve's shop, for the installation of a New and total custom Spohn rear suspension. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />

Keep at it, 9.6's are just a couple of track days away.

George
30th Aniv SS Conv</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Thanks alot George. Steve has been with me both this weekend and last. The only thing we were fooling with was the suspension limiters and front shock setting. It's amazing how much of a difference a little suspension travel makes. Let me know when you are headed over to Steve's shop, and I'll make the drive over.

Mikey

Joe Kizzire

Mikey your 60ft times are spread over a five hundreths of a second while your quarter mile times were in a range of six thousanths of a secounds... I wish you would pass on your secrets to how you make your car recover from different lanch times and end up crossing the finish line with such a consistant et and mph.. We could put that knowledge to use on our Outlaw car.

mikey

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Joe Kizzire:
<strong>Mikey your 60ft times are spread over a five hundreths of a second while your quarter mile times were in a range of six thousanths of a secounds... I wish you would pass on your secrets to how you make your car recover from different lanch times and end up crossing the finish line with such a consistant et and mph.. We could put that knowledge to use on our Outlaw car.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I told you before Joe, I honestly don't know. It was very frustrating to pick up four 9.78 slips. Especially when seeing that 1.299. There were a few other F-body guys there too that can confirm it, Steve Spohn included. We actually had a good laugh out of it. It doesn't make sense to me either. I do manually shift the TH-350 so that may have something to do with it. If I was a bracket racer, I would be happy.

The other four runs (total of 8) were a 9.903 @ 136.11, 1.405 60' (spinning), 9.897 @ 136.15, 1.400 60' (still spinning), 9.822 @ 136.18, 1.327 60' (shifted too high) and 9.809 @ 136.58, 1.345 60'.

The car is very sensitive to where I pull the shifts.

Either way, the car is awesome and I am very happy with it. Agostino Racing Engines has done a great job building the plant. It's my job to tune the rest and I am getting better at it every time I go. Just wish I had more time to play with the car. For the most part it sits under a cover in my shop between weekends. Pitty to back it off the trailer with rubber on the quarters from the week before...

Joe Kizzire

I wish you would scan all those timeslips and post them.... That would be interesting especially if the track had 330ft and 1000ft clocks.

ScreaminSS01

I was there yesterday.I can vouch for all of his runs. He constantly messed with the suspension. Made a few runs and adjusted some more. It didnt matter how he left the line.It is a consistant car for sure!
Its funny how all the other fast cars went back to the pitsafter every run. Mikey could hot lap no problem. People kept coming up to the car saying its "bulleproof".

Bob Cosby

Hmmm...could it possibly be that you are shifting 1/2 right near the 60 ft lights? IE...sometimes you click the shifter just before, sometimes just after? That might account for the differences. Spinning makes no sense, as your ultimate ET is pretty much unaffected.

I agree with Joe...would be real interesting to see the 330 ft times, as they should show very consistent.

mikey

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Nine Ball:
<strong>Mikey, you don't have to participate in Joe's game here. You ran a new best ET and backed it up three more times. How many others can claim that?

There are so many variables with cars, no telling why you didn't run quicker with a 1.29 60' on that pass. We could also ask how come this car ran slower 9.80s too, right? Big deal!

-Tony</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Yep Tony, I'm done. He still hasn't said what "he knows". Bottom line is that I'm out running the car and not talking crap. If Joe comes back with a legit reason for the request and is trying to help (yeah right) I'll scan the others. It took a while to do these because they are very light.

Mikey

Joe Kizzire

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Nine Ball:
<strong>Mikey, you don't have to participate in Joe's game here. You ran a new best ET and backed it up three more times. How many others can claim that?

There are so many variables with cars, no telling why you didn't run quicker with a 1.29 60' on that pass. We could also ask how come this car ran slower 9.80s too, right? Big deal!

-Tony</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Tony that's not it at all... Even though you and "The Colonel" have already hashed it out somewhere else on the net... I'm just curious about what's going on with the car. If you knew half as much as you claim you do would be curious also.

mikey

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Joe Kizzire:
<strong>Mikey we need to see all of the timeslips. Scan them small and just put them on one page.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">You want all 8 runs? Why? I can't fit all 8 on a single page. There are four runs on the page I posted...you do know that right?

mikey

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Colonel:
<strong>Once again Joe proves himself to be a bitter grump face...what an ***. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" /> <img src="http://forums.off-topic.net/images/smilies/slap.gif" alt=" - " />

Congrats Mikey. <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_cheers.gif" /> I know that 1.29 musta felt some kind of AWESOME! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="gr_eek2.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Thanks Steve. When is your new monstor ready? I think we are all very anxious to see what it will run at that weight. Better hang on and wear a diaper...lol. Best wishes...

Mikey

Joe Kizzire

Mikey something's going on with the car on the launch... I don't know what but the timeslips will tell if it's the car are the tracks timing equipment.

It's not just me Bob noticed it also.

Joe Kizzire

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Joe Kizzire:
<strong>Mikey something's going on with the car on the launch... I don't know what but the timeslips will tell if it's the car are the tracks timing equipment.

It's not just me Bob noticed it also.

Tell you what Mikey... post run three timeslip (the 1.29 60ft run) that should be enough to figure it out.
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mikey

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Joe Kizzire:
<strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Joe Kizzire:
<strong>Mikey something's going on with the car on the launch... I don't know what but the timeslips will tell if it's the car are the tracks timing equipment.

It's not just me Bob noticed it also.

Tell you what Mikey... post run three timeslip (the 1.29 60ft run) that should be enough to figure it out.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"></strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Look at the link again. There are all four 9.78 slips on there including the 1.299. Bob is a local who races at Cecil as well. We met at the super stallions event.

But Joe, you said in yesterdays post that you already knew what was going on and that you wanted us all to figure it out so why did you need anything posted??? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" /> Please enlighten us unexperienced racers.

<small>[ December 01, 2002, 02:22 PM: Message edited by: mikey ]</small>

Joe Kizzire

When I click on the link all I get is the one slip... Am I doing something wroung???

mikey

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Joe Kizzire:
<strong>When I click on the link all I get is the one slip... Am I doing something wroung???</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">It's a big file Joe, you will need to scroll left and right and up and down to see them all.

Nine Ball

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">If you knew half as much as you claim you do would be curious also.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Thats a funny statement coming from a guy that said it was impossible to run 11.9s with a 400 rwhp 6-speed heads/cam car three years ago. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" />

Its always a controversy and hidden agenda for Joe, he should create the "Racing X-files" department. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="gr_tounge.gif" />