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Ron@Vengeance 01-22-2009 10:14 AM

2008 C6 M6 Stock Bottom End Heads/Cam Vs 427 shortblock with same heads/cam..
 
2008 C6 M6 LS3

Original Modifications Include:

TEA Stage I CNC LS3 Heads- Stock Valves/.650 lift dual spring kit
Vengeance Racing Stage II LS3 Camshaft
American Racing 1 7/8 Longtubes with catted X pipe
MagnaFlow Catback
Ported Throttlebody
VaraRam Induction

Stock Intake
Stock clutch
Stock Pulley

Customer recently returned and decided to add some cubes

Only change in the graph below is the addition of an LS3 427 shortblock
Yella Terra Ultra Lite L92/LS3 Rockers

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k1...scan0003-6.jpg




http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k1...g/C6427SAE.jpg

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k1...g/C6427STD.jpg


Idle Clip of 427 thru catted X pipe/MagnaFlow Catback

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uSJvipluP8

Part throttle drivability

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNTxYfmk54k

Thru town with a short 1/2 blip

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2KWgS47R2Y

Damian 01-22-2009 12:03 PM

Holy fuckin jump in the curve area batman.

Nicely done.

Mike@Diablosport 01-22-2009 01:16 PM

Must be a monster on the street with the curves shifted that far over...should be a great example of what happens when you add inches for those wondering, nice job.

allngn_c5 01-22-2009 01:39 PM

Great comparison, can you explain why she seems to die so quickly above 6000 rpms and the original motor seems to still be making power ?? Whats the bottleneck on the 427 ?

Either way there is so much more power under the curve the rapid fall off up top shouldn't even be a concern. At any rate what would be required on the 427 to keep the power building ??

allngn_c5 01-22-2009 01:41 PM

One more thing, what was the compression on the LS3 Vs 427 ?? Any difference ??

Vengeance Racing 01-22-2009 03:21 PM


Originally Posted by allngn_c5 (Post 10900746)
Great comparison, can you explain why she seems to die so quickly above 6000 rpms and the original motor seems to still be making power ?? Whats the bottleneck on the 427 ?

Either way there is so much more power under the curve the rapid fall off up top shouldn't even be a concern. At any rate what would be required on the 427 to keep the power building ??


When putting this motor together the customer did not care about topend power that is why he wanted cubes. When I assembled the engine I degreed the camshaft to do that per the request of customer.

98camaroLS1M6 01-22-2009 11:18 PM

Well done guys! Nice vids.

allngn_c5 01-23-2009 08:59 AM


Originally Posted by Mike@Vengeance (Post 10901379)
When putting this motor together the customer did not care about topend power that is why he wanted cubes. When I assembled the engine I degreed the camshaft to do that per the request of customer.

More cubes less rpms needed to make serious power. Sounds similar to my build. I re used my h/c from my 346 on the new 402 and got similar results to your customer. Huge increase in power under the curve. Congrats Vengeance on yet another successful build.

blu1 01-24-2009 06:47 AM

what are the SAE numbers? My guess is they are a good 30-40rwhp difference on the lower side? 20 degrees does wonders for HP.

VIPERBLUELX 01-24-2009 08:32 AM

You mean you wouldn't get STD numbers on your dyno sheet in 90 degree temps?

ScreaminRedZ 01-24-2009 08:37 AM

Very nice comparison! I bet that's one happy customer!

blu1 01-24-2009 08:42 AM


Originally Posted by VIPERBLUELX (Post 10911856)
You mean you wouldn't get STD numbers on your dyno sheet in 90 degree temps?

The STD corrected numbers would be a lot lower than the UNCORRECTED numbers in this weather.

VIPERBLUELX 01-24-2009 08:44 AM

Wow, you're right! I read uncorrected on the sheet and for some reason equated that to STD numbers. So both SAE(the industry standard) and STD which is standard correction would both read quite a bit lower HP and TQ numbers than using uncorrected when it's really cold outside? Learn something new everyday!

52172 01-24-2009 08:48 AM


Originally Posted by allngn_c5 (Post 10900746)
Great comparison, can you explain why she seems to die so quickly above 6000 rpms and the original motor seems to still be making power ?? Whats the bottleneck on the 427 ?

Either way there is so much more power under the curve the rapid fall off up top shouldn't even be a concern. At any rate what would be required on the 427 to keep the power building ??

Doug I would guess it the cam having a harder time keeping up with the added cubes. Makes the cam act like a much smaller cam.

blu1 01-24-2009 08:48 AM


Originally Posted by VIPERBLUELX (Post 10911887)
Wow, you're right! I read uncorrected on the sheet and for some reason equated that to STD numbers. So both SAE(the industry standard) and STD which is standard correction would both read quite a bit lower HP and TQ numbers than using uncorrected when it's really cold outside? Learn something new everyday!

Yes!

Look here for how big the differences are in this weather, SAE and UNCORRECTED are both posted. SC weather is about on par with GA weather.

https://ls1tech.com/forums/dynamomet...uer-v-3-a.html

willyfastz 01-24-2009 09:03 AM

Don't forget pulling the smoothing back from 5 also increases the hp.:D

30th t/a 01-24-2009 11:13 AM

im interested in the SAE numbers as well. Nice setup though. I bet thats gonna a fun car on the street with that neck snapping torque!

willyfastz 01-24-2009 11:17 AM

He can just go to his computer and pull up the file switch it to SAE and repost the graph.:angel:

Ron@Vengeance 01-24-2009 11:26 AM

Already done... Ill be posting after I get back from lunch. I have SAE and STD graphs so everyone can be happy ;)

Beaflag VonRathburg 01-24-2009 01:34 PM

The increase in torque is the amazing part. 100+ extra ft lbs is a huge increase.


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