Cartek's Stage 3X H/C preliminary dyno numbers, 482 RWHP and 416 RWTQ.
12-02-2003, 10:40 AM
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Originally Posted by BLUEBALLS ZZ
most passes were 11.00 flat. but i do think they did go 10's that day. just didn't see it.
Originally Posted by BLUEBALLS ZZ
now here is my thing. i sprayed a 150 made 560 rwhp car weight 3460 with out me in it. now, how do these guys get 130 traps out of a 460 hp car?? and the car weight 3200. the best my car went on spray is close to 129. altho i am sure she had 130 in it... thats what makes me 
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Is this with an electric water pump, power steering bypassed and no ac?
12-02-2003, 12:22 PM
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Hey Terry was that plywood or balsa wood you used on the hatch?
Damn Julio, I didn't think anyone else remembered that! HAHAHAHA! Terry, be a good boy.
Damn Julio, I didn't think anyone else remembered that! HAHAHAHA! Terry, be a good boy.
12-02-2003, 12:24 PM
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BTW RE Cartek:
All I'm saying is that their high dyno numbers and great track times have more to do with their location than their head porter and comp cams catalogue..
All I'm saying is that their high dyno numbers and great track times have more to do with their location than their head porter and comp cams catalogue..
12-02-2003, 12:27 PM
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Terry I don't see where your comments actually add any tech value. Why don't you show them what a great builder you are and do heads and cam on your hardtop vette and then show Brent that you can run mid 120's or better too.
12-02-2003, 12:37 PM
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Prove or move it.
You should be taking notes down rather than offering up off the cuff comments that are not based on experience.
Driving a MN12 or MN6 well is a skill that I can appreciate.
You should be taking notes down rather than offering up off the cuff comments that are not based on experience.
Driving a MN12 or MN6 well is a skill that I can appreciate.
12-02-2003, 01:07 PM
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You should be taking notes down rather than offering up off the cuff comments that are not based on experience.
Also it's very funny that the only out of state dyno I've seen for the Cartek 2x setup is 360rwhp. Add in 10rwhp for the intake and 30rwhp for the exhaust (very optimistic IMHO), and you're still down 60rwhp! That car even has "dyno queen" 3.42s!
12-02-2003, 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Terry Burger
Still waiting for dyno numbers during the hotter summer months. I believe the high dyno numbers have to do with their negative DA and a poor correction algorithm (like supercharged cars at high altitude), or a "manipulated" correction factor. That 480rwhp is probably akin to 450-460rwhp on your average dyno, which is consistant with what other tuners are putting down.
Also it's very funny that the only out of state dyno I've seen for the Cartek 2x setup is 360rwhp. Add in 10rwhp for the intake and 30rwhp for the exhaust (very optimistic IMHO), and you're still down 60rwhp! That car even has "dyno queen" 3.42s!
Also it's very funny that the only out of state dyno I've seen for the Cartek 2x setup is 360rwhp. Add in 10rwhp for the intake and 30rwhp for the exhaust (very optimistic IMHO), and you're still down 60rwhp! That car even has "dyno queen" 3.42s!
edit... i just talked to lane (local exhaust guy) he picked up 50rwhp on a hot cam car with duals....
Based on what i have seen.
7 JS12 cam only car shortbelt (not even bypasing the Water pump like the cartek car)
20 LS6 intake when i went from my stocker with H/C
9 on my TB over stocker Shaner S2
15 more from the tune easy 10.5 a/f and god only knows what the timing was..
50 lane had from exhaust over stock on a CAM ONLY HOT CAM CAR!
thats 101hp hmmm that puts him around 463......
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12-02-2003, 01:31 PM
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and 30rwhp for the exhaust (very optimistic IMHO),
And if you take your car to NJ I'm sure that Julio would be happy to run your car on his dyno just to prove to you that you couldn't make anywhere close to N/A 480+ RWHP with any parts that you select.
12-02-2003, 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Terry Burger
BTW RE Cartek:
All I'm saying is that their high dyno numbers and great track times have more to do with their location than their head porter and comp cams catalogue..
All I'm saying is that their high dyno numbers and great track times have more to do with their location than their head porter and comp cams catalogue..
....Brent would only be running 11.5s in say TX, and probably only 12.0s out by you right? 
Originally Posted by Terry Burger
Still waiting for dyno numbers during the hotter summer months.
Oh yeah that's right, it was solely the superior NJ air and gearing, CARTEK had NOTHING to do with it, I forgot.
12-02-2003, 02:42 PM
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Funny, same argument in the eastern members forum!
Carteck seems to have a lot of people either hate or love them.
Simply put imo, lots of power! Cars rip!! Good DA!! Light as hell!! Unlimited dyno/tuning time for best results!! Few out of state guys run cartek packages with near as much power!! LOTS of Seat time!!!!
1.4 60'!!! I would kill for that!!!!
The cas do rip, but I feel the same, add 300 lbs and 1000 to the -1000 da and you have an 11 second car.
da is one thing, an event is held, and everyone races same day same da, But weight is a BIG deal in racing. You cant compair track times of 3500-3800 lbs cars to 3200lbs cars.
But again, nice power, nice times.
Carteck seems to have a lot of people either hate or love them.
Simply put imo, lots of power! Cars rip!! Good DA!! Light as hell!! Unlimited dyno/tuning time for best results!! Few out of state guys run cartek packages with near as much power!! LOTS of Seat time!!!!
1.4 60'!!! I would kill for that!!!!
The cas do rip, but I feel the same, add 300 lbs and 1000 to the -1000 da and you have an 11 second car.
da is one thing, an event is held, and everyone races same day same da, But weight is a BIG deal in racing. You cant compair track times of 3500-3800 lbs cars to 3200lbs cars.
But again, nice power, nice times.
12-02-2003, 03:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Terry Burger
Still waiting for dyno numbers during the hotter summer months. I believe the high dyno numbers have to do with their negative DA and a poor correction algorithm (like supercharged cars at high altitude), or a "manipulated" correction factor. That 480rwhp is probably akin to 450-460rwhp on your average dyno, which is consistant with what other tuners are putting down.
Tony
12-02-2003, 03:22 PM
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7200 = smaller cubes run more rpm to make power than strokers
Say what you want Terry, but Brent races his car all the time, and he gets props for that. I like reading about his runs, and I've seen the car it's not gutted.
Say what you want Terry, but Brent races his car all the time, and he gets props for that. I like reading about his runs, and I've seen the car it's not gutted.
12-02-2003, 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Nine Ball
Actually Terry, the SAE corrected values are typically higher in the hottest, nastiest weather months. In cold weather, the correction factor usually helps less. I put in over 200 dyno runs on my Formula, in various weather conditions, and they were always more favorable (SAE corrected values) in the 100F, humid summertime. Completely opposite of what you think. Just FYI.
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12-02-2003, 03:49 PM
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Still waiting for you to somehow justify/manipulate/discredit/explain how his car ran 10.58@130.6 miles per hour if (as you're implying) the dyno numbers are actually total BS?
Oh yeah that's right, it was solely the superior NJ air and gearing, CARTEK had NOTHING to do with it, I forgot.
Oh yeah that's right, it was solely the superior NJ air and gearing, CARTEK had NOTHING to do with it, I forgot.
With a light weight and aerodynamic Z06, with great gearing, a low 1.4 60’, and –1200 DA, I think a 446rwhp setup can run 130mph. I am not saying the car didn’t run the numbers, just calling BS on the big dyno numbers...
12-02-2003, 04:09 PM
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13.30@107, 2.0 60' I'm doing budget LS1 heads and keeping a smog legal setup (with shorty headers and stock cats), so I don't know that I'll be able to run 130mph with this car, but we'll see how close I come..
Bet you I make a ton more power than that Cartek 2x car in Washington?
I'm doing budget LS1 heads and keeping a smog legal setup (with shorty headers and stock cats), so I don't know that I'll be able to run 130mph with this car, but we'll see how close I come.. Bet you I make a ton more power than that Cartek 2x car in Washington?