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Old 03-08-2016, 04:49 PM
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93 pump gas. fast 102 I ported myself to match the heads, 102tb and no maf. speed density tune,
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cam is what i would consider mild for a 418, .624 both sides with 239/254 and 113 plus 3. and the torque curve is like a flat table top. thats why ive never bothered changing heads so far I havent found to many people with setups like mine making any more power unless they have much bigger cams
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Maybe I missed it. What kind of fuel mileage does this get?
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Originally Posted by josh4ku
Maybe I missed it. What kind of fuel mileage does this get?
Here is another thread about the results of a very similar 416 build I helped a customer with. Its a good read also but to more specifically answer your question see his post (#36 in the thread) where he discusses fuel economy.

https://ls1tech.com/forums/dynamomet...results-2.html

And FWIW, Jack's cam in the thread above is more aggressive than the cam in this particular build....that helps HP a little but clearly hurts in the MPG department.

Hope this helps!

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Originally Posted by Tony Mamo
Here is another thread about the results of a very similar 416 build I helped a customer with. Its a good read also but to more specifically answer your question see his post (#36 in the thread) where he discusses fuel economy.

https://ls1tech.com/forums/dynamomet...results-2.html

And FWIW, Jack's cam in the thread above is more aggressive than the cam in this particular build....that helps HP a little but clearly hurts in the MPG department.

Hope this helps!

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Isn't that this thread
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Originally Posted by josh4ku
Isn't that this thread
Yes....LOL....got this confused with another!

Either way I provided you the info you seeked

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Originally Posted by TonyMamo
What would my ported LS3 head go that Im getting 390+ from.....good question and I should have an answer to that in the next few months cause Im building virtually an identical engine with that head and a ported LS3 FAST. My guess is slightly less bottom and slightly more top...
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Can you do a small bore (TFS or Mast casting) Ls3 square port head design to fit a max effort high rpm 346 that doesn't care about torque? Then top it off with a Mamofied ls3 fast 102 manifold for a drag race application.

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Originally Posted by Zmg00camaross
I was thinking 15k, the engine I was talking about is LS3 370. And was on a engine dyno single plane high compression deal. Like sayed it's not apples to oranges. Just in the process of researching for my build that's it all.
You should consider my high rpm 388 for purchase. It's all refreshed and proven on the drag strip.
Just needs to be final assembled. It took a year to design and put together. Most people underestimate how long it takes to get these engines built and running. I'll get you a great price too.
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Originally Posted by vetteboy2k
TONY:
Can you do a small bore (TFS or Mast casting) Ls3 square port head design to fit a max effort high rpm 346 that doesn't care about torque? Then top it off with a Mamofied ls3 fast 102 manifold for a drag race application.
Dont have anything like that....a 3.900 bore is just too small for a large valve/large runner head like an LS3.....even an LS3 is barely enough IMO. You would be surprised how much power an optimized combo with my cathedral 220 heads would make swinging for the fences....well over 500 RWHP with a much more explosive feel to the throttle.

DarthV8r made 497 RWHP with a 227 intake lobe!.....what could we make with a cam closer to 240 degrees in a max effort application!?!

You have to properly size the heads to the engine in question.....a 260+ cc port is too big for a 346.....period, and that design doesn't lend itself well to a 3.900 bore.....your just limited on what you can do. Its more cost effective to build a stroker than sink a ton of money into a big port/big valve combination that just wont work that well anyway.

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Originally Posted by Tony Mamo
Dont have anything like that....a 3.900 bore is just too small for a large valve/large runner head like an LS3.....even an LS3 is barely enough IMO. You would be surprised how much power an optimized combo with my cathedral 220 heads would make swinging for the fences....well over 500 RWHP with a much more explosive feel to the throttle.

DarthV8r made 497 RWHP with a 227 intake lobe!.....what could we make with a cam closer to 240 degrees in a max effort application!?!

You have to properly size the heads to the engine in question.....a 260+ cc port is too big for a 346.....period, and that design doesn't lend itself well to a 3.900 bore.....your just limited on what you can do. Its more cost effective to build a stroker than sink a ton of money into a big port/big valve combination that just wont work that well anyway.

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There's a square port head out there for small bore with a 240 cc runner that uses a 2.08 I valve and 1.60 exhaust. That's along the lines of what I was thinking for a max effort 346 setup.



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