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lazerlemonta 03-03-2019 02:43 PM

NA SBE LS3 Record?
 

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Ok guys I’ve had a few minutes to digest my results. What’s most impressive to me is 7000 RPM the gain over my bolt on set up is 170 RWHP and 130 RWT we can not compare anything past that as the stock cam was done at 6800. If you can digest this. I was going through the traps at 6900-7000 and had a best of 132 MPH. Now back up to the peak numbers 110 RWHP peak gain and a loss of no peak torque. At 4500 there was a loss of about 20ish. The funny part is my car now carries torque at the same level as my bolt on horsepower but an additional 800 RPM of usable torque. I feel as though I could have turned it 8000 but with my injectors being so far gone I did not want to risk beating on it as lean as it was already. I think my results are what everyone had hoped they would be and then some. Keep in mind all I did was swap intakes and did not touch the tune. This was as true of a back to back comparison as your going to get. Thanks LOD SPEEDWORKS for being so patient with me to provide these independent test results. Here is a complete mod list GPI 281cc heads milled .042, cosmetic .040 head gaskets, 236/254 .646 .637 111+4 SS4 cam, BTR .660 springs, Johnson short travel lifters, Manton series 5 11/32 push rods, Smith brothers trunnion kit, Ewp, crank scraper, 25% ati crank pulley, 2”x2 1/4”x3” headers 3” x pipe, flex fuel, RPS twin carbon clutch and stage 2 dif with 4.10s, ram air and fast 102 mid length runners/ LOD speedworks 5th gen camaro intake modified to fit a C6, NW 102 Tb, LSA injectors (soon to be for sale along with a fast intake)Dyno is comparison of my bolt on set up/mid runner fast/ final numbers are of the LOD intake. Car is out of injector (replacements coming) and on E85.

NAVYBLUE210 03-03-2019 05:35 PM

Wow! Congratulations outstanding results.
Thats a 46 RWHP Gain from the Mid-Length Runner FAST to the
L.O.D. Intake with no other changes so far. That's Incredible,
how much was involved to fit your C6?

Vdop 03-03-2019 06:25 PM

Dynos don't have records. A dyno is a tuning tool. If you go to the track and it runs in the 8.80s you might have a record.

lazerlemonta 03-03-2019 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by NAVYBLUE210 (Post 20057509)
Wow! Congratulations outstanding results.
Thats a 46 RWHP Gain from the Mid-Length Runner FAST to the
L.O.D. Intake with no other changes so far. That's Incredible,
how much was involved to fit your C6?


lazerlemonta 03-03-2019 07:12 PM


Originally Posted by Vdop (Post 20057542)
Dynos don't have records. A dyno is a tuning tool. If you go to the track and it runs in the 8.80s you might have a record.

thanks for the clarity. Any higher SBE LS3 out there? That’s been on a tuning tool?

wannafbody 03-03-2019 11:03 PM

Doing a new hood or a scoop of some type?

lazerlemonta 03-04-2019 06:59 AM


Originally Posted by wannafbody (Post 20057681)
Doing a new hood or a scoop of some type?

I have a hood already cut up, it just needs the cowl and some body work.

JoeNova 03-04-2019 07:08 AM


Originally Posted by lazerlemonta (Post 20057576)

thanks for the clarity. Any higher SBE LS3 out there? That’s been on a tuning tool?

A few hundred horsepower more with boost on a SBE LS3.

sxc Z28 03-04-2019 07:09 AM

For the record, that's got to be a record:D


Originally Posted by lazerlemonta (Post 20057751)
I have a hood already cut up, it just needs the cowl and some body work.

Whos doing the hood and body work for you?

sxc Z28 03-04-2019 07:10 AM


Originally Posted by JoeNova (Post 20057758)
A few hundred horsepower more with boost on a SBE LS3.

I seen 980whp sbe ls3 from detoxx on here. We talking na tho.

Darth_V8r 03-04-2019 07:13 AM

So, other than cutting and grinding on the back of the intake and cutting up the hood and doing a bunch of custom intake tubing, no big deal. Sometimes you gotta mod your car to mod your car, right?

I've not seen or heard of any tooning tool numbers higher than what you posted on a NA LS3. IMO there are just as many if not more variables at the track than on dyno's. Track tells how well the car works. Dyno tells what the engine is doing.

I got a kick out of your new torque curve following your old HP curve, except where the old power curve took a dump due to valve control (I presume), the new torque curve carries. it's really insane to think that you made your new torque curve mirror your old power curve.

lazerlemonta 03-04-2019 07:24 AM


Originally Posted by sxc Z28 (Post 20057759)
For the record, that's got to be a record:D



Whos doing the hood and body work for you?

HioSSilver!

lazerlemonta 03-04-2019 07:38 AM


Originally Posted by Darth_V8r (Post 20057761)
So, other than cutting and grinding on the back of the intake and cutting up the hood and doing a bunch of custom intake tubing, no big deal. Sometimes you gotta mod your car to mod your car, right?

I've not seen or heard of any tooning tool numbers higher than what you posted on a NA LS3. IMO there are just as many if not more variables at the track than on dyno's. Track tells how well the car works. Dyno tells what the engine is doing.

I got a kick out of your new torque curve following your old HP curve, except where the old power curve took a dump due to valve control (I presume), the new torque curve carries. it's really insane to think that you made your new torque curve mirror your old power curve.

The cool thing is the car drives pretty damn good and when you decide to let it eat it now tells you to hold the frig on because we are headed somewhere quickly. The torque curve cracks me up too Darth, you can honestly feel that up top when its just trying to rip the road up. I believe we finally got more then we all expected out of this set up and to me thats saying something! The LOD intake was more important then heads........ that is pretty crazy

big hammer 03-04-2019 08:31 AM


Originally Posted by NAVYBLUE210 (Post 20057509)
Wow! Congratulations outstanding results.
Thats a 46 RWHP Gain from the Mid-Length Runner FAST to the
L.O.D. Intake with no other changes so far. That's Incredible,
how much was involved to fit your C6?

as much as I liked the mid runner fast on my ls3, this kinda backs up my results. I gained around 4 mph switching from a fast mid runner to a low profile sniper

HioSSilver 03-04-2019 08:49 AM

All your records are belong to Hiocrew!

Darth_V8r 03-04-2019 10:04 AM


Originally Posted by big hammer (Post 20057806)


as much as I liked the mid runner fast on my ls3, this kinda backs up my results. I gained around 4 mph switching from a fast mid runner to a low profile sniper

OK, so I just checked a few things from Lazer's "magic rockers" dyno thread. 468 HP on the stock heads and cam.
533 from the heads cam and fast mid -- 65 HP
576 adding the LOD -- 43 HP.
I'm betting on the old setup, the LOD would have done at least SOMETHING better than the fast.

So let me beat Hio to saying -- "Bolt ons FTW"

HioSSilver 03-04-2019 10:26 AM

:ripped:

big hammer 03-04-2019 10:48 AM


Originally Posted by Darth_V8r (Post 20057856)
OK, so I just checked a few things from Lazer's "magic rockers" dyno thread. 468 HP on the stock heads and cam.
533 from the heads cam and fast mid -- 65 HP
576 adding the LOD -- 43 HP.
I'm betting on the old setup, the LOD would have done at least SOMETHING better than the fast.

So let me beat Hio to saying -- "Bolt ons FTW"

imagine the HP with a Stock ls3 intake. From what I’m told they’re the best ls3 intake. No gains to be had

Mavn 03-04-2019 11:45 AM

My buddies shop had an ls3 sbe vette with stock casting heads made 588 rwhp on a Dynojet.

Trapped almost 140 aswell.

lazerlemonta 03-04-2019 11:57 AM


Originally Posted by Mavn (Post 20057903)
My buddies shop had an ls3 sbe vette with stock casting heads made 588 rwhp on a Dynojet.

Trapped almost 140 aswell.

Thanks MAVN good info! I did not figure it would be the most but for an off the shelf grind its a great cam for the combo.


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