Poured Tons of cash into my car and I feel like I am being robbed!
05-23-2006, 10:42 PM
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Poured Tons of cash into my car and I feel like I am being robbed! OK, all of my mods are in my sig, please tell me what HP you think I should be putting down (on a Mustang dyno). After a few opinions, I will reveal the number HPE "tuned" my car to.
05-23-2006, 10:49 PM
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330 rwhp? What were you expecting? Is it just a bolt on car?
The 85mm air lids are back ordered through TSP for quite some time so I wouldn't get in a hurry on that one.
Share all the info so we can really evaluate the situation.
The 85mm air lids are back ordered through TSP for quite some time so I wouldn't get in a hurry on that one.
Share all the info so we can really evaluate the situation.
05-23-2006, 10:56 PM
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on a mustang dyno, I would guess 315ish. Its an Auto and a98 to add. You realy dont have mods and I wouldnt even put any power towards that manifold and TB, no gains on your combo yet. So yeah, I would almost even say high 290's maybe.
You have to also tell us if the convertor was locked or not.
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You have to also tell us if the convertor was locked or not.
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05-23-2006, 10:57 PM
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well reading these other threads, these people are getting 300+HP STOCK and I am getting a measly 334HP and 340 ft/lbs of torque.
Hpe supposedly turned up the timing to just under detonation, and turned up the rev limiter so I would have access to the power up top I was gaining from the manifold. I just feel like $1100 in exhaust $1300 intake plus all of the other b.s. that I should be more than that. Maybe when I do a cam or heads or both that all of the current mods will just be multipliers and I will gain more than average?? Someone please input.
Hpe supposedly turned up the timing to just under detonation, and turned up the rev limiter so I would have access to the power up top I was gaining from the manifold. I just feel like $1100 in exhaust $1300 intake plus all of the other b.s. that I should be more than that. Maybe when I do a cam or heads or both that all of the current mods will just be multipliers and I will gain more than average?? Someone please input.
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05-23-2006, 11:01 PM
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Well they rate the stock engines at the fly wheel so that's not to bad really. The additional power from a tune comes in when you have significant mods like a camshaft, heads,headers ect.
The tuner can only do so much at that level besides remove TM and tweak the timing and A/F.
Take it to the track and see what it does. That's the real test.
FWIW- The Mustang Dyno is always quite a bit lower as it adds a load for realistic tuning. Good luck!
James
The tuner can only do so much at that level besides remove TM and tweak the timing and A/F.
Take it to the track and see what it does. That's the real test.
FWIW- The Mustang Dyno is always quite a bit lower as it adds a load for realistic tuning. Good luck!
James
05-23-2006, 11:05 PM
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it appears you should've done your homework before you went on a buying spree, buying a bunch of mismatched parts.
334/330 is very respectable on a mustang dyno for a bolt-on AUTOMATIC. i don't know where you get your information, but i think they did a hell of a job with it. being on stock heads/cam, i doubt that high-dollar fast intake would get you much over an ls6, nor would your big badass matching throttlebody, just as examples.
334/330 is very respectable on a mustang dyno for a bolt-on AUTOMATIC. i don't know where you get your information, but i think they did a hell of a job with it. being on stock heads/cam, i doubt that high-dollar fast intake would get you much over an ls6, nor would your big badass matching throttlebody, just as examples.
05-23-2006, 11:06 PM
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ok I did take it to the 1/8 mile. ran...(off of the top of my memory cant find time slip)
60'---1.990 <---100% sure on this
1/8---8.33??
speed-87 mph
what do stock #s look like??Is this good compared to stock?
60'---1.990 <---100% sure on this
1/8---8.33??
speed-87 mph
what do stock #s look like??Is this good compared to stock?
05-23-2006, 11:09 PM
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i trapped 87.59 TONIGHT at the strip with the only motor mods being an ls6 intake, full exhaust, and a lid. 3 mods, totaling a little over $1,000. the engine is still UNTUNED, i had tqm deleted and the shift points adjusted.
i have a 4k stall and 373s, also.
stock i ran 8.73 @ 83 in the 1/8 mile.
i have a 4k stall and 373s, also.
stock i ran 8.73 @ 83 in the 1/8 mile.
05-23-2006, 11:15 PM
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Did you do any research before you bought all your parts?? I think the numbers you put down aren't that bad for the mods you have. If I were you...
I would've spent the $1300 you spent on the 90/90 on a big cam and supporting valvetrain and I would've spent the $1100 you spent on exhaust on a set of CNC LS6 heads and bought a cutout. You could be seeing 440+rwhp 400+rwtq if you did that. Check out the dynograph at the bottom of this link https://ls1tech.com/forums/showthrea...0&page=4&pp=20
That is TSP's new head/cam package they have for less than $1500.
You can almost get that if ya sell your 90/90 setup =)
I would've spent the $1300 you spent on the 90/90 on a big cam and supporting valvetrain and I would've spent the $1100 you spent on exhaust on a set of CNC LS6 heads and bought a cutout. You could be seeing 440+rwhp 400+rwtq if you did that. Check out the dynograph at the bottom of this link https://ls1tech.com/forums/showthrea...0&page=4&pp=20
That is TSP's new head/cam package they have for less than $1500.
You can almost get that if ya sell your 90/90 setup =)
05-23-2006, 11:16 PM
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i kinda think u shoulda done the opposite ...cuz its not breathing well at the moment, probably breathing tooo much with that 90/90 setup... cuz think about it if u woulda done it the other way around heads/cam first, u woulda been more impressed with numbers..AND all you woulda had left to do was swap a manifold and BAM...more horsepower lol either way u were still gonna be down numbers i guess but w.e hope that helps...down be frustrated about it jus take ur time and swap the stock heads/cam with some nice **** and spray it 
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05-23-2006, 11:16 PM
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Originally Posted by SouthernSilverSpeed
deleting torque management..what are the benefits, also what #'s would my car put down on a dynojet??roughly...
as far as dynojet numbers go, i have read that mustang dynos typically read 15-20% lower than a dynojet, so you can do the math. dynos are tuning tools, nothing more. the only real tell tale sign of a vehicle's performance is seen on your TIMESLIP.
05-23-2006, 11:18 PM
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I am going for a multiplier effect. If someone were to drop cam "A" into stock ls1 "A", and drop cam "A" into my car, I would see more power than the other car, right?
05-23-2006, 11:21 PM
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Originally Posted by SouthernSilverSpeed
well reading these other threads, these people are getting 300+HP STOCK and I am getting a measly 334HP and 340 ft/lbs of torque.
Hpe supposedly turned up the timing to just under detonation, and turned up the rev limiter so I would have access to the power up top I was gaining from the manifold. I just feel like $1100 in exhaust $1300 intake plus all of the other b.s. that I should be more than that. Maybe when I do a cam or heads or both that all of the current mods will just be multipliers and I will gain more than average?? Someone please input.
Hpe supposedly turned up the timing to just under detonation, and turned up the rev limiter so I would have access to the power up top I was gaining from the manifold. I just feel like $1100 in exhaust $1300 intake plus all of the other b.s. that I should be more than that. Maybe when I do a cam or heads or both that all of the current mods will just be multipliers and I will gain more than average?? Someone please input.
Your car is putting down healthy numbers.
05-23-2006, 11:26 PM
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theoretically yes.
but as these cars go...i dunno.
i was 2nd quickest ls1 at the strip, the ONLY one with factory heads/cam. i went the time in sig. the only ls1 quicker and faster than me was spraying on a cam/stall, and still only managed a 11.89 @ 120..
my point: your car's reaction to the cam will depend heavily on the tune.
but as these cars go...i dunno.
i was 2nd quickest ls1 at the strip, the ONLY one with factory heads/cam. i went the time in sig. the only ls1 quicker and faster than me was spraying on a cam/stall, and still only managed a 11.89 @ 120..
my point: your car's reaction to the cam will depend heavily on the tune.