Krazy98Z28

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Got my car back tonight from ESP. This is a brand new ARE 346 shortblock with a Comp Cams XE-R 232/236 and TEA 5.3's. Stock throttle body and stock pulleys. Car put down 396 RWHP. Cant wait to dyno her when shes broken in and with a Pulley and throttle body and see what we get. Drivability is great. The guys at ESP busted *** til 9:00 tonight for me just to make me happy. I'm sure with more miles and those 2 mods I'll get close to 420 which is plenty for me.

Drew778

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Sweet!!!, wish I had the funds for an ARE motor

bodhi

even for the gear you have those numbers seem awfully low. maybe you need some more tuning.
What valve sizes are in those heads?

Krazy98Z28

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2.02/1.60

99 Black Bird T/A

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396 rwhp?

Can we see the graph?

Was it a DynoJet?

Is the tuner experienced?

Should be over 400rwhp+ without a ported TB or underdrive pulley, IMO with that cam.

Can you post the dyno graph?

ne14a6t9

ya post the graph, another very dissapointing dyno with tea heads, Esp has a dyno jet and are very good at tuning, they dont seem to have problems getting good numbers from there cars. theres a whole lot of talk goin on that tea's dont flow like they advertise,

hey krazy98ta if your happy with your numbers then good, but i know that you would have at least 430 with gtp or other sponsors heads. sorry to all the tea guys for the reality check, remember this is my opinion and what I see from looking at other posts

Phil99vette

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One big thing is that the people going with the TEA heads aren't choosing cams that have been proven to work with the heads. TEA heads have crazy flow numbers on the exhaust side so why put a cam with a heavy duration????? Thats like saying GTP heads suck with a 220/236 cam. The cam is going to be the heart of the power plant and if you choose the wrong one your not going to make good power. I ran a 230/230 XE cam and went 11.3 @ 124 with a set of TEA heads @ 1500' da or so. Its not in the heads, its in the combo.
Phillip

DanZ28

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Just take it to the track!

Dan

99 Black Bird T/A

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Your post is little more than a "me too" bash. You don't know what he would have with someone else's heads either, because at this point for all we know there an issue with something not head related. Get the facts before jumping to conclusions...sometimes these things take a while to sort out.

With a litte tweaking the car in question may gain. I think, and I pretty sure most will agree, these sort of issues should be sorted out without bashing.

ne14a6t9

tea ex flow numbers are bs and was proven many times. there intake flows are about 20 less on a superflow, look at the thread{flow benches}. Phill your car runs great and you seem like a great guy with alot of noliage. but you also seem like a tea pusher. I should keep my mouth shut in topics like this but i think its unfair to someone like krazy and others with lower than expected dyno's to not get what they expected. if the heads only flow 274 and stall at 550 then they should know that before selecting a cam that doesnt work with the heads becuase the heads cant support it. he probably would have made the same 396 with stock heads and thats sad

ne14a6t9

99 blackbirdta. you have a good point but how many times have we seen threads with alot of guys with all the mods having low dyno's. looking at all the posts that are surfacing it looks like the truth is coming out. just read the threads. many people are flowing there tea heads and not getting what is advertised, and then you see the low dyno's. I just think they should stop lying, I hate liers. state the truth

98TAauto

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I agree that his numbers are low, espically for a M6. I woulda expected over 410hp atleast, but hell thats only 10friggin HP and a pulley could give him that and espically a TB. This is another case of a car dynoing that doesnt have full bolt ons so its a "if i do this, ill see this much more HP" post.

NE14: Its clear you dont like TEA for some ungodly reason and everyone knows that by now. Its funny though... there exhaust flows such **** to you, but yet we they have plenty cars in the low 11's. Since AS, GTP, and others have killer exhausts(I guess), but yet many of those are in the upper 11's, hell some 12's still... doesnt make since does it? LMAO

Krazy, hopefully you can redyno when you get the other mods on

I dont give a rats butt about flows numbers.. i see TEA working on the track and that is where my money goes! Not in a peice of paper that says I have this and that flow..

H82BBad

has anyone seen a car dyno well with slp headers?


I would leak down the engine and make sure you have good ring seal.

CRASH 02

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I say it is way low, especially with a cam that large. I wouldn't care who's heads and who's 346 I had I would be pissed if my car didn't make at least 425-430 to the wheels in an M6 car. I have seen stock headed bolt on M6’s with smaller cams make more power than that.

VINCE

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There is obviously something wrong here.. TEA CNC their heads so all #'s will be equal across the board. The port job from one TEA head to the next would be the same. So the differences you see between TEA headed cars dyno'ing 440rwhp and 390rwhp is OBVIOUSLY the combo.. Unless the buyer takes it on his/herself to mill the heads more or do some more bowl work on their own. Another point I want to bring up. How many shops actually tune someone else's car the same way they tune their cars? Trust me, not very many. Their car is ALWAYS going to dyno higher. I cant see ARE tuning a JPR h/c package to out perform their own products. I cant see MTI doing the same either. You get my point. Take my car for instance.. I am still running a old Ed program from 4 cams ago and 2 years ago. I personally think I could gain if I went to longtubes and ls1edit, but I really do not care. How many people dyno over 420rwhp with Stage I heads, 10.7:1 compression, and stock valves? I laugh when I hear all this BS about flow #'s.. My current heads flow barely over what stock LS6 heads flow. My heads NEVER go over 290cfm and do not stall until close to .650lift. So all you Nay Sayers you can stack it like you like it.. TEA heads are still the best bang for the buck.. You might find heads that flow better or dyno higher, but you will also pay a premium for those heads. On another note. In the near near future I am going forced induction. Futral Motorsports is building my next setup and I am going with their heads because it is always good to go with the product of the builder of the forced induction setup. Hell I might get froggy and just have Futral build me a stronger shortblock.. Back to TEA. TEA has a awesome product and came along at the perfect time when some of us needed an alternative to $2500 plus heads. Especially when most of the high dollar heads dyno on avg the same as TEA heads. This is all my opinion. Bash if you want, but I still have love for you guys..

H82BBad

were they using slp headers?

99 Black Bird T/A

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NE, I don't think TEA is lying, I was told by Brent and Brian keep the cam in the .570 lift range or less. I did a lot of my own research thanks to SRP. It isn't necessary to be harsh on with TEA...lets focus on the facts...keep emotion out of it...otherwise threads like this one get locked by the mods

99 Black Bird T/A

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Now that's a wise idea if there ever was one.

mike m

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ok heres a fine exapmple of why i posted that tea set of heads on ebay, if the heads are stalling @ 550 this would make a car dyno low with a good cam like krazy has.

heres a challange for you guys Krazy if your willing to take those heads off and try another sponsors heads and if you gain hp their yours if not the other sponsor will pay for the install to put your teas back on.

mike m

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im saying any sponsor i know im biased to AS but i mean any other set of heads. come on sponsors