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necrocannibal 12-10-2008 03:45 PM

So apparantly stock 04 GTOs are now........
 
Beating bolt on f bodies and losing by only a fender to C5s and LS2 C6s. 04 GTOs should have no problems with stock f bodies, or so my sources say.

Phantom_LS2 12-10-2008 03:50 PM

Do what?

Art Vandaley 12-10-2008 03:53 PM

in your dreams

99bowtieZ 12-10-2008 03:56 PM

Bring it on...

99problemz 12-10-2008 03:59 PM

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h2...5m4g3243l2.jpg

jsteele90 12-10-2008 04:01 PM

bring your stock gto my way any day clown!

necrocannibal 12-10-2008 04:01 PM

Thats just what I was told on another forum that specializes in cars only made between 04-06, you know what im saying. I called them out on it and was told differently again.

necrocannibal 12-10-2008 04:02 PM

WTF, Im trying to show you guyshow stupid 04 GTO owners are. JEEZ

Phantom_LS2 12-10-2008 04:49 PM

Was this over on LS2GTO.com? If not, where?

chavez885 12-10-2008 04:55 PM

Wow went right over several of you guy's heads lol. I ran an LS1 gto and was pretty even in my LT1 with a cutout, they are pretty slow stock, definitely not gonna pull an LS1 fbody or C5.

ponygt65 12-10-2008 05:36 PM


Originally Posted by necrocannibal (Post 10637642)
WTF, Im trying to show you guyshow stupid 04 GTO owners are. JEEZ

:rotflmao: even the 'stang guy' got that one.:chug:

99bowtieZ 12-10-2008 06:00 PM


Originally Posted by necrocannibal (Post 10637638)
Thats just what I was told on another forum that specializes in cars only made between 04-06, you know what im saying. I called them out on it and was told differently again.

That's a pretty exclusive forum... What makes those years so special?

necrocannibal 12-10-2008 07:55 PM


Originally Posted by Phantom_LS2 (Post 10637933)
Was this over on LS2GTO.com? If not, where?

Why yes it was.

necrocannibal 12-10-2008 07:57 PM


Originally Posted by ponygt65 (Post 10638263)
:rotflmao: even the 'stang guy' got that one.:chug:

I know really. So defensive. I cant believe some of these guys think a LS1 GTO can be "edged" out by a LS2 C6. WTF??? A C6 would monkey rape a LS1 GTO.

Platinum WS6 12-10-2008 08:06 PM

HA! Starting to sound like an import board....

RaggedRides 12-12-2008 01:55 AM

I don't know about running with a C6 'Vette, but they'll run with your average LS1 powered F-body. The Saturday before last, a friend of mine snagged a 13.4 @ 104 out of his bone stock 2004 A4. Jetlag hopped in and did the 1/8th a tenth quicker, but it wouldn't shift into 3rd gear for some reason. I think it's got a 13.3 in it as is. Maybe I lied when I said BONE stock... We did unbolt the stock catback ;)


Granted, a few weeks before all he could get was 14.0s. The only difference was swapping good tires onto the back and him not getting stoned before running.

djsanchez2 12-12-2008 02:13 AM

WOW!! I pulled on a mildly modded (according to the owner) LS1 GTO, worse than ANY 4.6 mustang I have ever raced!! We raced 2/3 and all 3 times i couldnt even see him in my mirror :lol: That shit was freaking SLOW

bongva 12-12-2008 02:30 AM

well my z28 pulled a i/lt/e/tuned ls2 gto does that count???

here is the vid

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/S...Fun_196416.htm

Phantom_LS2 12-12-2008 07:39 AM


Originally Posted by bongva (Post 10647604)
well my z28 pulled a i/lt/e/tuned ls2 gto does that count???

here is the vid

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/S...Fun_196416.htm

Just know we aren't all created equal. :angel: I have 2 friends to can drive with the best of them (1 has a SS, other is a WS6), both have gears, cam, and full exhaust. On the highway I edged out both of them. Never got a chance to run them with a 100% car (mine or theirs) at the track. Hopefully that'll get done next season. Nice Z though!

necrocannibal 12-12-2008 07:53 AM

LOL and they are still arguing with me. Saying they are beating full exhaust f bodies and just barely getting edged out by C5s and LS2 C6s. Dreamland..........

pitbull14218 12-12-2008 08:05 AM

Pipe Dreams!

Phantom_LS2 12-12-2008 08:53 AM

So much misinformation in there. I'm not even gonna bother...

OnyxY2KSS 12-12-2008 09:08 AM


Originally Posted by Phantom_LS2 (Post 10648298)
So much misinformation in there. I'm not even gonna bother...

Yep, that forum is full of idiots.

necrocannibal 12-12-2008 12:30 PM

OMG now one guys is claiming to have gone 12.7 @ 109 mph in his completely bone stock LS1 GTO.

Here is a link to the thread. These guys are delusional. http://www.ls1gto.com/forums/showthread.php?t=282130

AlexLs1 12-12-2008 01:23 PM

I think at the track the GTO's (04) are going to perform the times mentioned at the track. I'am sure and know for a fact that you could get a bolt-on 04 Goat A4 or M6 into the high 12's.

As people know, well some of us, on the street with all the variables and other things, not always the faster car has the advantage or going to win.
All looking at a track and street perspective:
Stock for stock, an Ls1 F-body vs. 04 GTO any tranny, my money is on the F-Body.
Stock F-body vs. Bolt-on 04 GTO: Drivers race/close call. I would still be backing the F-body at this point.
Stock F-body vs. Stock LS2 GTO, drivers race/close call.
Bolt on 04 GTO vs. a C5. C5 all the way, street or strip.
However a LS2 Goat vs. a C5 (NON-Z06) its a drivers race.

These are all based on what I've seen and what I think or you could predict when looking at specs on paper.

My $0.02 cents.

chavez885 12-12-2008 01:48 PM


Originally Posted by necrocannibal (Post 10649386)
OMG now one guys is claiming to have gone 12.7 @ 109 mph in his completely bone stock LS1 GTO.

Here is a link to the thread. These guys are delusional. http://www.ls1gto.com/forums/showthread.php?t=282130

lulz

https://ls1tech.com/forums/12-second...-12s-neva.html

necrocannibal 12-12-2008 03:44 PM

LOL he is one of the guys claiming to beat bolt on f bodies and just be edged out by C5s and C6s. His car may have gone thattime but it wasnt done it totally stock trim. Plus it said the DA was like - 116.

chavez885 12-12-2008 03:54 PM


Originally Posted by necrocannibal (Post 10650435)
LOL he is one of the guys claiming to beat bolt on f bodies and just be edged out by C5s and C6s. His car may have gone thattime but it wasnt done it totally stock trim. Plus it said the DA was like - 116.

Yea that guy is pretty delusional. I gave up on him.

TORNATIC!! 12-20-2008 03:11 AM


Originally Posted by AlexLs1 (Post 10649697)
I think at the track the GTO's (04) are going to perform the times mentioned at the track. I'am sure and know for a fact that you could get a bolt-on 04 Goat A4 or M6 into the high 12's.

As people know, well some of us, on the street with all the variables and other things, not always the faster car has the advantage or going to win.
All looking at a track and street perspective:
Stock for stock, an Ls1 F-body vs. 04 GTO any tranny, my money is on the F-Body.
Stock F-body vs. Bolt-on 04 GTO: Drivers race/close call. I would still be backing the F-body at this point.
Stock F-body vs. Stock LS2 GTO, drivers race/close call.
Bolt on 04 GTO vs. a C5. C5 all the way, street or strip.
However a LS2 Goat vs. a C5 (NON-Z06) its a drivers race.

These are all based on what I've seen and what I think or you could predict when looking at specs on paper.

My $0.02 cents.

I tend to agree with you on a couple of races. With the F-bod being lighter, underrated, and having a better drag setup with the live axle they're a little stronger than the LS1 GTO. The LS1 GTO M6 and A4 are two different animals though. The LS1 GTO 6-speed can trap 105-106 stock putting them at the F-bod level. They'd hang way better on top end than from a stop.

When it comes to the LS2 GTO I've seen a few of them beat F-Bods stock vs stock. The LS2 had the stronger top end in those races. Also most of the races I've heard of the LS2 GTO and C5 Vette are about even with the GTO actually winning some races.

I have a LS1 GTO A4 with only full exhaust, cai, dyno tune and she puts down 339 rwhp/355 rwtq. I'm definitely at the LS2 level now. Oh and I know I can take a stock F-bod:D

CuNfUzEd 12-21-2008 10:07 PM

GTO's are ...... well you know..........................

GXPPOWER 12-23-2008 03:24 PM

haha welll i know how to fix those guys attitudes. im gonna make an account and but out some vids to them of ls1 GTO's getting owned. i might even have to do the worst and show some ricers beating some :P

GXPPOWER 12-23-2008 05:47 PM

i tried to make an account and 3 hours later no verification email... and i check the correctness.

danger ds 12-23-2008 06:14 PM

I am not a big fan of the gto's just because they booted out the firebirds. Could you imagine what a LS2 WS6 would do:drool: Sorry dont mean to hijack I know we have a bench racing forum for that.
But back on topic I have seen the LS2 GTO's run mid 13 stock at san antonio raceway but the LS1's not so much. The best time i have seen out of one of those is a 14.00 at 106 with LTheaders, CAI, catback, Tune, its also a 6 speed, and with the 125 shot it ran a 12.80 at 112 which was all done on street tires.

RaggedRides 12-23-2008 07:26 PM

Like I said, I've personally witnessed 13.4-13.7s at 104 in an automatic 2004 Goat with nothing other than the catback hacked off. Maybe it's a freak as far as GTOs are concerned. He was cutting 2.0 60ft times and the weather was awesome. This was his second trip to the track. The first go around he couldn't muster any better than a 14.0, but that was with 2.2-2.3 60s.

Memphis Motorsports Park

Summerwolf 12-23-2008 08:20 PM

I think stock for stock vs a comparative TA or SS camaro the race would be a drivers race.

Yeah they're heavier, but the 04 GTO has a slightly more agressive cam and the dual exhaust from the factory. I'm saying STOCK FOR STOCK its a drivers race. C5's and C6's it should roll out like everyone would think.

When my car was stock it ran a 13.6 @ 104 with a horrible 2.21 60 ft...not too far off from what I've seen a lot of LS1 fbodies run.

Ls1 cars respond to mods well...bolt-ons for either will change the performance, and we all know a tune even on a stock car will make a world of difference. After mods there is no telling what will happen lol.

GXPPOWER 12-23-2008 10:12 PM


Originally Posted by RaggedRides (Post 10716648)
Like I said, I've personally witnessed 13.4-13.7s at 104 in an automatic 2004 Goat with nothing other than the catback hacked off. Maybe it's a freak as far as GTOs are concerned. He was cutting 2.0 60ft times and the weather was awesome. This was his second trip to the track. The first go around he couldn't muster any better than a 14.0, but that was with 2.2-2.3 60s.

Memphis Motorsports Park

going from a 2.2 to a 2.0 60ft will not take him from 14.0 to 13.4

GXPPOWER 12-23-2008 10:13 PM


Originally Posted by Summerwolf (Post 10716941)
I think stock for stock vs a comparative TA or SS camaro the race would be a drivers race.

Yeah they're heavier, but the 04 GTO has a slightly more agressive cam and the dual exhaust from the factory. I'm saying STOCK FOR STOCK its a drivers race. C5's and C6's it should roll out like everyone would think.

When my car was stock it ran a 13.6 @ 104 with a horrible 2.21 60 ft...not too far off from what I've seen a lot of LS1 fbodies run.

Ls1 cars respond to mods well...bolt-ons for either will change the performance, and we all know a tune even on a stock car will make a world of difference. After mods there is no telling what will happen lol.

04 GTO does not have a True Dual exhaust stock doesn't it still go into a y-pipe just like a ta/camaro?

RaggedRides 12-23-2008 10:30 PM


Originally Posted by GXPPOWER (Post 10717599)
04 GTO does not have a True Dual exhaust stock doesn't it still go into a y-pipe just like a ta/camaro?

Dual pipes, one-sided exit. After the cats, it runs into an H-pipe and then through two mufflers and side-by-side exits.

RaggedRides 12-23-2008 10:36 PM


Originally Posted by GXPPOWER (Post 10717590)
going from a 2.2 to a 2.0 60ft will not take him from 14.0 to 13.4


We swapped the bald tires from the back out with the full treaded runners from up front. He made more 2.3 passes than anything that week, and a THREE TENTH drop in the 60ft and better track/weather conditions could warrant a half second drop on the time slips. You've got good days and bad days. I've had times when my car won't get better than 13.2s, and others when 12.9s and 1.9s come without even trying.


I've no reason to make things up

It happened

Summerwolf 12-24-2008 12:10 AM


Originally Posted by GXPPOWER (Post 10717599)
04 GTO does not have a True Dual exhaust stock doesn't it still go into a y-pipe just like a ta/camaro?

Nope, true duals. Much more efficient piping then the TA/camaro.

It goes into an Hpipe that isn't very effective but its something to dual mufflers to single sided exit on the 04 gto.

Bumpin' Yota 01-08-2009 12:14 AM


Originally Posted by necrocannibal (Post 10650435)
LOL he is one of the guys claiming to beat bolt on f bodies and just be edged out by C5s and C6s. His car may have gone thattime but it wasnt done it totally stock trim. Plus it said the DA was like - 116.

Cry me a river about the DA when you damn well know near 0 DAs are common in this area. Hell up on the eastern seabord (ATCO) they get -1200 or better DAs! Hell the last GTO track day I went to had a -600 DA. And do you do realize that a change in 1000' of DA corresponds to less than 0.17 ET? Modify the engine to improve Ve and the difference goes down.

http://www.dragtimes.com/da-density-...ect+ET+and+MPH

Bring your LS2 down here and Ill run you! GTO get together in bradenton. EDIT: And wow you needed a 408 stroker with a big cam, heads, and a nitrous shot to get that 11.6 @ 123? You sure you dont drive a poorly tuned supra? :D (Dont get your panties in a wad and end up showing me were you hide your ovine. ;) )

Oh and btw I am 100% wins against Fbodies and C5 vettes. The ONLY vette I have EVER lost to was a C6. I have run 2 C4s and 2 C5s and kicked all of their asses. Franklin (Ferrayo) witnessed the first C5 kill that's not on video - happened at our informal street tire challenge at BMP. It was a choice for me to line up against the LS1 vette or a caged low 10 second mustang. I won by driving around him. And as far as Fbodies go I have BUTCHERED every LT1 that's run against me (4 to date.) I've only run against 1 LS1 M6 with LTs with a loud exhaust, and was a damn good race with us finishing dead nuts.

Oh and if anyone claims that their stock 04 did beat a C6, then the C6 wasnt racing or the 04 owner is lying his ass off aobut his mods.


Originally Posted by chavez885 (Post 10650490)
Yea that guy is pretty delusional. I gave up on him.

Wanna run too?

Since you are posting vids here's the other one: Teh LS2 CAN NEVA LOOSE!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWzPzgfhcMc

I cant count the number of times I've seen LS2 GTOs running 14.0+ times on the same night I was running low 13s. Just because someone can afford it does not mean they can drive it.


Originally Posted by GXPPOWER (Post 10717599)
04 GTO does not have a True Dual exhaust stock doesn't it still go into a y-pipe just like a ta/camaro?

Negative ghost rider -true dual from factory. ;)


Originally Posted by GXPPOWER (Post 10717590)
going from a 2.2 to a 2.0 60ft will not take him from 14.0 to 13.4

there is also this nifty thing called "heat soak" pulls timing and kills power like non other. 0.2 second differential on the 60 = 0.4 in ET. A gto can EASILY loose 0.5 seconds in ET and 3mph in the trap due to heat soak alone. So hell they could go from a 13.4 to a 14.3 in a fully heat soaked state with a piss poor launch.

The Manalishi 01-08-2009 12:22 AM

GTO's have nice interiors and they are nice cars, kind of bland styling wise but thats my opinion. They are slow.

Bumpin' Yota 01-08-2009 12:29 AM


Originally Posted by chavez885 (Post 10637973)
Wow went right over several of you guy's heads lol. I ran an LS1 gto and was pretty even in my LT1 with a cutout, they are pretty slow stock, definitely not gonna pull an LS1 fbody or C5.

Hey thats funny cuz I ran Eric's (fauslpss) car on this site which is an LT full exhaust M6 from a 50ish roll and it was pretty much dead nutz. (Actually I pulled about 2-ish cars from the punch, he slowly made up some ground in 3rd, then we sat there, his nose at my door, for all of 4th gear.) Since he never actually lead the race I can call it a kill but choose not to since all through 4th gear, we did not move an inch relative to each other until I lifted and jumped on the brakes for the rapidly approaching traffic. '04 GTOs ARE deficient in the brakes so I had to brake before he needed to....

Im sure he and I will race again in the future - he is actually a really cool dude. PM him if you dont believe my story.

Then there is the video of me *gasp* pulling that C5 since he got a half car lead on me from the launch. Post race he was surprised at my trap of 108.49 vs his 108.50 because he stated that I was still pulling away from him on the big end.

Bumpin' Yota 01-08-2009 12:30 AM

What people dont realize is that the factory HP rating doesnt mean jack diddly. There are going to be 10% freaks, 10% duds, and 80% average cars. And that is for any production run of cars - a normal bell curve. And beyond that the driver is FAR more important than the HP rating. I like to think that I have a freak LS1 combined with me being a good driver which results in me making kills some people think that I shouldn't make. :rolleyes: There was one time at the track I fist fucked 03 Cobra with a KB on board that was putting 5xx rwhp. He couldnt get traciton. I did and beat him by a few trainlengths.



Originally Posted by The Manalishi (Post 10805391)
GTO's have nice interiors and they are nice cars, kind of bland styling wise but thats my opinion. They are slow.

Agreed. The styling is understated, which is perfect for me. IMO - Everything is slow as there is always someone faster.

The best part is I actually LOVE F-bodies. If I didnt have the Goat, I'd definately have an M6 T/A. It'd be a hell of a lot cheaper to mod that's for damn sure.

Kmaroman 01-08-2009 01:20 AM

Are we mainly talking about ls1 GTos or ls2s, cause i want to buy an ls2 as a DD eventually an honeslty if a mildly modded lt1 can beat it or come close i might change my mind

The Manalishi 01-08-2009 01:31 AM


Originally Posted by Kmaroman (Post 10805577)
Are we mainly talking about ls1 GTos or ls2s, cause i want to buy an ls2 as a DD eventually an honeslty if a mildly modded lt1 can beat it or come close i might change my mind

A lot of us just like picking on the GTO guys. I wouldn't take those comments too seriously.

Bumpin' Yota 01-08-2009 01:33 AM


Originally Posted by Kmaroman (Post 10805577)
Are we mainly talking about ls1 GTos or ls2s, cause i want to buy an ls2 as a DD eventually an honeslty if a mildly modded lt1 can beat it or come close i might change my mind

Depends on you definition of "mildly modded." Some people think a 175 wet shot is mildly modded. LoL! And there's a shit ton of LT1s out there thatll kick my ass around my ears...however they are quite heavily modded in my book. :)

Stock for stock with equal drivers and traction, LT1s do not stand a snowballs chance in hell against either iteration LS*. Ditto with mod for mod. But realize your skill behind the wheel is far more critical - do something stupid and it will beat you.

GTOs are a BITCH to launch with courtesy of the IRS and narrow OEM tires. (And microscopically sized wheel wells.) However we do handle better courtesy of that suspension - well in theory anyhow.

As far as the difference btwn the LS1 and LS2, they are minimal. Driving will determine the outcome more than the 50hp and 35tq. 05/06 do have better OEM brakes. Other than that, there is the 3000 to 6000 dollar difference for that 50hp/tq.

The Manalishi 01-08-2009 01:41 AM


Originally Posted by Bumpin' Yota (Post 10805613)
GTOs are a BITCH to launch with courtesy of the IRS and narrow OEM tires. (And microscopically size wheel wells.)

As far as the difference btwn the LS1 and LS2, they are minimal. Driving will determine the outcome more than the 50hp and 35tq.

Yea I can't imagine trying to launch one of those cars with the tires they stuck you guys with. Aren't the LS2 cars a little heavier than the LS1 cars? I think I've read that but I can't remember.

Bumpin' Yota 01-08-2009 01:52 AM


Originally Posted by The Manalishi (Post 10805632)
Yea I can't imagine trying to launch one of those cars with the tires they stuck you guys with. Aren't the LS2 cars a little heavier than the LS1 cars? I think I've read that but I can't remember.

OMG the OEM rubber is the WORST EVER. 245 profile and hard as a brick! 1st just breaks traction and wheel hops. 2nd gear is useless - just wild wheel spin. 3rd gear one gains traction. Pontiac screwed the pooch with the OEM tires and the marketing. About the fattest tire we can fit are 275s and thats with fender rolling and drag bags. Beyond that and one usually needs minitubs or having a body shop flare the fenders. The drag bags, pedders springs, or one of GForce1320's single axle upgrades will alleviate wheel hop.

They might be a touch heavier, but not by anything significant. The last time I drove across a dump scale (probably not calibrated very well) mine tipped the scales at 3880 with a full tank of gas and my 190lb fat ass. Most of the LS2 guys were reporting similar weights.

The Manalishi 01-08-2009 01:56 AM


Originally Posted by Bumpin' Yota (Post 10805661)
OMG the OEM rubber is the WORST EVER. 1st just breaks traction and wheel hops. 2nd gear is useless - just wild wheel spin. 3rd gear one gains traction. Pontiac screwed the pooch with the OEM tires and the marketing.

They might be a touch heavier, but not by anything significant. The last time I drove across a dump scale (probably not calibrated very well) mine tipped the scales at 3880 with a full tank of gas and my 190lb fat ass. Most of the LS2 guys were reporting similar weights.

The marketing sucked but the price gouging dealers sealed its fate. I remember when I looked at them they were marking them up 5-8K and they wouldn't budge. I walked away. The Challenger has been the same way so far. I've tried to get one out here for a while now and they insist that they are worth 9k over sticker. Of course the cars are just sitting there, just like the GTO I looked at did.

Summerwolf 01-08-2009 02:29 AM


Originally Posted by Kmaroman (Post 10805577)
Are we mainly talking about ls1 GTos or ls2s, cause i want to buy an ls2 as a DD eventually an honeslty if a mildly modded lt1 can beat it or come close i might change my mind

an ls1 gto will rape a pretty decently modified lt1....I have never ran across an LT1 that challenged the goat....I know they're out there and I'm waiting to run into one...it'll happen someday.

Summerwolf 01-08-2009 02:32 AM

You can fit a 275 pretty easily with the right sized rim/offset and a little bit of massaging....I don't have drag bags and my car has a drop spring on it but my 275's fit just fine...I'm actually going to step it up to a 285 next time tires are bought...

Cole Train 01-08-2009 02:33 AM

i was drivin' my buddies '98 GTP and put the BEAT DOWN on a Goat up until about 95-100 mph where the GTO stopped his pull and finally started to inch on him. Although the GTO was brand new(dealer plates) and the GTP was heavily modded but still. the look on his face was priceless:D i will admit he likely needed the driver mod. i haven't ran into a GTO yet that has stood a chance against my Vette. They are nice cars and i'd like one for a DD, cruiser but not for a speed machine. Just too heavy....

CuNfUzEd 01-08-2009 08:45 AM

GTO's areslow no matter what is done to them. Point blank. No help for the fat retarded cousin of the Fbody.

necrocannibal 01-08-2009 12:47 PM


Originally Posted by Bumpin' Yota (Post 10805367)
Cry me a river about the DA when you damn well know near 0 DAs are common in this area. Hell up on the eastern seabord (ATCO) they get -1200 or better DAs! Hell the last GTO track day I went to had a -600 DA. And do you do realize that a change in 1000' of DA corresponds to less than 0.17 ET? Modify the engine to improve Ve and the difference goes down.

Bring your LS2 down here and Ill run you! GTO get together in bradenton. EDIT: And wow you needed a 408 stroker with a big cam, heads, and a nitrous shot to get that 11.6 @ 123? You sure you dont drive a poorly tuned supra? :D (Dont get your panties in a wad and end up showing me were you hide your ovine. ;) )

I see your punkass made it over here. Where the hell did you get that time for my 408? That car went bottom 10s. And Id love to run your POS but m not driving 800 miles or however far it is for it.

Summerwolf 01-08-2009 03:08 PM


Originally Posted by CuNfUzEd (Post 10806334)
GTO's areslow no matter what is done to them. Point blank. No help for the fat retarded cousin of the Fbody.

lol...oookaayy....fast is fast dude, you can have respect for anything IMO

PNYKLR-TA 01-08-2009 03:28 PM


Originally Posted by RaggedRides (Post 10647567)
Granted, a few weeks before all he could get was 14.0s. The only difference was swapping good tires onto the back and him not getting stoned before running.

quoted for truth, first time at the track i was high as a kite and couldnt run for shit with some .500 reaction times. . . was embarassing.

went back sober the next time and did loads better.

moral of the story, don't drag race high :smokin2:

wait till after you leave the track :nod:

PNYKLR-TA 01-08-2009 03:59 PM

and for the record, here in AZ, ive ran 3 GTO's 2 of which i know had full exhaust at least, and with my little baby 212-219 cam i did put a hurting on them, fastest time any of the 3 could muster was a 13.7 or so IIRC. I on the other hand ran a 13.3 and i'd say my car is 'mildy' modded.

ponygt65 01-08-2009 04:20 PM


Originally Posted by CuNfUzEd (Post 10806334)
GTO's areslow no matter what is done to them. Point blank. No help for the fat retarded cousin of the Fbody.

:lol: you crack me up with that GTO stuff scott.

Originally Posted by Summerwolf (Post 10808474)
lol...oookaayy....fast is fast dude, you can have respect for anything IMO

I'll remember that the next time you talk down on stangs....LOL

Summerwolf 01-08-2009 04:56 PM

dude, my main issue with stangs is the billion+ special editions, all the cars my friends worked on back home were mustangs and thats who I used to race/compare our cars with for the most part. One of my best friends has a 97 cobra with 4.3X gears and drag slicks....I know what they can be capable of.

To PNYKLR-TA- where in AZ are you? We can bring cameras if you want and I have a lowly LS1...lol

Bumpin' Yota 01-08-2009 06:32 PM


Originally Posted by CuNfUzEd (Post 10806334)
GTO's are slow...

Kinda like you mentally! :devil: :devil: JFWY!

ponygt65 01-08-2009 06:34 PM


Originally Posted by Summerwolf (Post 10809129)
dude, my main issue with stangs is the billion+ special editions, all the cars my friends worked on back home were mustangs and thats who I used to race/compare our cars with for the most part. One of my best friends has a 97 cobra with 4.3X gears and drag slicks....I know what they can be capable of.

To PNYKLR-TA- where in AZ are you? We can bring cameras if you want and I have a lowly LS1...lol

NO, I gotcha......all the stang editions can be annoying. The WORSE of it, is the 'dealer' stickered crap that lead people to believe they are something special. That's mostly on teh S197s though. I also hate the ignorant owners that think roush stg 1/2 and S281s are drag worthy special. They aren't. THey're built with road racing in mind.

Even the 99-04 S281SC's aren't anything too special. Hell, stock for stock, with 3.27 gears (not 3.73s optioned) they are about on par with a stock mach. And that's with 340/360hp (year pending).

Bumpin' Yota 01-08-2009 06:41 PM


Originally Posted by necrocannibal (Post 10807640)
I see your punkass made it over here. Where the hell did you get that time for my 408? That car went bottom 10s. And Id love to run your POS but m not driving 800 miles or however far it is for it.

Hey Im not the one that didnt have the balls to continue on the GTO forum and instead run over here and cry about things he though impossible. I believe your exact quote was, "Im through with you." Apparently not. You had to go piss and moan over here too. :eyes:

Well your CAR may have had the potential to run low 10s, but I doubt that you did. Post the slip.

And as far as that time, the search function pwns you. https://ls1tech.com/forums/11-second...7-123-mph.html

And the only POS in this discussion was your car since you did manage to blow up your LS1. :devil:


My car ran a freakin high 12 with average weather conditions and has beaten several C5s, C4s, and ran with a M6, LT, SS (who posts on THIS forum.) And has never lost to any of the mentioned cars. Big whoop, why does that offend you so damn much? As I said over there, my car will still put down 310-320rwhp just like all the other LS1s.

Oh and if it makes you feel any better Im going to be racing quite a few modded LS1s and LS2s that WILL kick my ass up in clearwater. Ill even get it on video for you. LoL! And as far as a rematch with the aforementioned SS M6 LT camaro he'll likely win as he has added a few more mods since the race and I have remained the same trim for SM1 for the GTO get together.

chavez885 01-08-2009 06:50 PM


Originally Posted by Bumpin' Yota (Post 10805367)
Wanna run too?

With you running 12.7? lol waste of gas.


Originally Posted by Bumpin' Yota (Post 10805418)
Hey thats funny cuz I ran Eric's (fauslpss) car on this site which is an LT full exhaust M6 from a 50ish roll and it was pretty much dead nutz. (Actually I pulled about 2-ish cars from the punch, he slowly made up some ground in 3rd, then we sat there, his nose at my door, for all of 4th gear.) Since he never actually lead the race I can call it a kill but choose not to since all through 4th gear, we did not move an inch relative to each other until I lifted and jumped on the brakes for the rapidly approaching traffic. '04 GTOs ARE deficient in the brakes so I had to brake before he needed to....

Im sure he and I will race again in the future - he is actually a really cool dude. PM him if you dont believe my story.

Then there is the video of me *gasp* pulling that C5 since he got a half car lead on me from the launch. Post race he was surprised at my trap of 108.49 vs his 108.50 because he stated that I was still pulling away from him on the big end.

I said i kept even, neither of us pulled enough to call it a win but you got your panties in a wad for some reason. I got nothing against LS1 gto's, but stock, they are not faster than a C5 or LS1 fbody, sorry buddy.

If you beat them, good for you, but its not the norm. Noone's stock anymore these days anyway, so this conversation is pointless, grow up and slow down keyboard warrior.

shtnfrds 01-08-2009 07:01 PM

stock fbody vs stock gto and the gto fails.
mine didnt bust 14.0 when i had it.

Bumpin' Yota 01-08-2009 07:11 PM


Originally Posted by chavez885 (Post 10809814)
With you running 12.7? lol waste of gas.

Oh I wont be anywhere even close to a 12.7 if I run you...;) Think faster, much faster...;)


I said i kept even, neither of us pulled enough to call it a win but you got your panties in a wad for some reason. I got nothing against LS1 gto's, but stock, they are not faster than a C5 or LS1 fbody, sorry buddy.

If you beat them, good for you, but its not the norm. Noone's stock anymore these days anyway, so this conversation is pointless, grow up and slow down keyboard warrior.
Not the norm? Sure. But not because of the car's lack of potential, but rather the driver. Im sure you will agree that most GTO drivers suck - this is a result of the fact that GTO's are much tougher to launch than their fbody counterparts. But combine a good driver (to offset the difficulty in launching the goat) in a healthy GTO with an average driver in a c5 vette and you've got a race on your hands - IMHO.

As far as getting "...panties in a wad..." I assumed you were calling bs on the races i was in, which is why I got irked. But in the end, why the hell are we argueing over the intrawebz? lol!

Bumpin' Yota 01-08-2009 07:13 PM


Originally Posted by shtnfrds (Post 10809907)
stock fbody vs stock gto and the gto fails.
mine didnt bust 14.0 when i had it.

Your fbody couldnt break 14.0? Better set that bitch on fire.

You couldn't get your GTO under a 14? Better learn to drive better. :devil: ;) (The problems that hurt most GTO owners are massive heat soak - did you let the coolant temp drop below 140*F prior to running? Also the OEM tires blow - good tires alone will cut a LOT of time off on the track.)

Summerwolf 01-08-2009 08:48 PM

stone stock i was running mid 13s in the 04 goat....some people need to learn how to drive.

CuNfUzEd 01-08-2009 08:53 PM


Originally Posted by Bumpin' Yota (Post 10809776)
Hey Im not the one that didnt have the balls to continue on the GTO forum and instead run over here and cry about things he though impossible. I believe your exact quote was, "Im through with you." Apparently not. You had to go piss and moan over here too. :eyes:

Well your CAR may have had the potential to run low 10s, but I doubt that you did. Post the slip.

And as far as that time, the search function pwns you. https://ls1tech.com/forums/11-second...7-123-mph.html

And the only POS in this discussion was your car since you did manage to blow up your LS1. :devil:


My car ran a freakin high 12 with average weather conditions and has beaten several C5s, C4s, and ran with a M6, LT, SS (who posts on THIS forum.) And has never lost to any of the mentioned cars. Big whoop, why does that offend you so damn much? As I said over there, my car will still put down 310-320rwhp just like all the other LS1s.

Oh and if it makes you feel any better Im going to be racing quite a few modded LS1s and LS2s that WILL kick my ass up in clearwater. Ill even get it on video for you. LoL! And as far as a rematch with the aforementioned SS M6 LT camaro he'll likely win as he has added a few more mods since the race and I have remained the same trim for SM1 for the GTO get together.

Yeah..... your car may have done that...........but yer a fag.LOL But you have nioce interior.

shtnfrds 01-08-2009 09:11 PM


Originally Posted by Bumpin' Yota (Post 10810001)
Your fbody couldnt break 14.0? Better set that bitch on fire.

You couldn't get your GTO under a 14? Better learn to drive better. :devil: ;) (The problems that hurt most GTO owners are massive heat soak - did you let the coolant temp drop below 140*F prior to running? Also the OEM tires blow - good tires alone will cut a LOT of time off on the track.)


if i let it cool down that much it would have taken 3 or more hours. i tested that once. engine temp stayed around 210-225 for a good 30 minuets before it dropped, then it dropped really slow. Dont know what the problem was, but for what the gto were going for, f-body was a MUCH better car for the money. But I see in a few threads now that there are 04 GTO's popping up for around 14K with 50K miles and under. only way i would ever own another goat would be if the rear cradle had the pedders kit. i think it was pedders at least. and it was sub $13K. I LOVED the interior in that car and the street ride. I had bad problems with the rear alignment. insides of the rear tiers wore from brand new to almost bald in 8K miles i think it was. I still say gm F'd up calling it a gto since its been a production car in australia for years and years be fore it was ever here in the states.

and i havent ran my camaro yet, but i would burn the mother down if i dont break 14.0. from what i have seen on good tires and a good launch i'll tickle 13.0. I will be happy with anything 13.5 and faster.


stone stock i was running mid 13s in the 04 goat....some people need to learn how to drive.
it's not that i cant drive, i can. the one i had was just pig slow.

JayplaySS 01-09-2009 12:54 AM


Originally Posted by necrocannibal (Post 10639332)
I know really. So defensive. I cant believe some of these guys think a LS1 GTO can be "edged" out by a LS2 C6. WTF??? A C6 would monkey rape a LS1 GTO.

The same guys should be banned from all internet use.

necrocannibal 01-09-2009 08:05 AM


Originally Posted by Bumpin' Yota (Post 10809776)
Hey Im not the one that didnt have the balls to continue on the GTO forum and instead run over here and cry about things he though impossible. I believe your exact quote was, "Im through with you." Apparently not. You had to go piss and moan over here too. :eyes:

Well your CAR may have had the potential to run low 10s, but I doubt that you did. Post the slip.

And as far as that time, the search function pwns you. https://ls1tech.com/forums/11-second...7-123-mph.html

And the only POS in this discussion was your car since you did manage to blow up your LS1. :devil:


My car ran a freakin high 12 with average weather conditions and has beaten several C5s, C4s, and ran with a M6, LT, SS (who posts on THIS forum.) And has never lost to any of the mentioned cars. Big whoop, why does that offend you so damn much? As I said over there, my car will still put down 310-320rwhp just like all the other LS1s.

Oh and if it makes you feel any better Im going to be racing quite a few modded LS1s and LS2s that WILL kick my ass up in clearwater. Ill even get it on video for you. LoL! And as far as a rematch with the aforementioned SS M6 LT camaro he'll likely win as he has added a few more mods since the race and I have remained the same trim for SM1 for the GTO get together.



You are such a dumbass.That time was right after I had the motor built and was babying it still only spraying a 50 shot. You are such a moron. I sold that car a long time ago and dont keep slips around. Someone on here bought it though, maybe he can chime in with how it ran.


I find it absolutely amazing that you think a 310 rwhp 3800 pound LS1 car is = to a 310 rwhp 3400 pound car.

ponygt65 01-09-2009 10:48 AM


Originally Posted by necrocannibal (Post 10812868)
I find it absolutely amazing that you think a 310 rwhp 3800 pound LS1 car is = to a 310 rwhp 3400 pound car.

Thank you....I was wondering why I never had the need to read his posts.....and I've never seen the guy post before. Chalk it up to gut feeling, and you just proved why I shouldn't have bothered.

PNYKLR-TA 01-09-2009 11:28 AM


Originally Posted by Summerwolf (Post 10809129)
dude, my main issue with stangs is the billion+ special editions, all the cars my friends worked on back home were mustangs and thats who I used to race/compare our cars with for the most part. One of my best friends has a 97 cobra with 4.3X gears and drag slicks....I know what they can be capable of.

To PNYKLR-TA- where in AZ are you? We can bring cameras if you want and I have a lowly LS1...lol

North phoenix man, where you at? and i never said they are lowly LS1's if thats what you implying, i was just simply stating the 3 GTO's i've ran against or with at the track have ran slower than I.

I'm sure you probably have beat just about every LT1 around, but not this one, well at least yet if you have anything done to your car :devil:

ohh and next week my car is going into the shop for a 3200rpm stall with a complete tranny rebuild with a stage 2 shift kit, should be good for some high 12's hopefully :chug:

so if your in AZ or gunna be sometime we should get this goin on! :engarde:

of coarse all in good fun for our friends here at LS1Tech

necrocannibal 01-09-2009 12:03 PM


Originally Posted by ponygt65 (Post 10813675)
Thank you....I was wondering why I never had the need to read his posts.....and I've never seen the guy post before. Chalk it up to gut feeling, and you just proved why I shouldn't have bothered.

Glad I could be of assitance.


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