Something different.....
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Something different..... I have been wanting to buy a old car for a while and have been looking at 64/65 GTO's and 70 Chevelles til my eyes hurt..I have also been looking at some nice 61/62 Belairs...
This is a nice one
1961 Belair Coupe (Orig. 6cyl stick car)
Manual brake/Manual Steering (Could easily convert to disc brakes)
Engine 1963 409 (Solid Lifter 425HP Dual Quads)
Saginaw 4sp (Steel case)
Rearend 1963 Pumkin Posi (3.70's)
Car is straight and clean with new interior and paint
Needs alittle kindness under the hood but presentable..
The car has the wrong ex manifolds on it and air cleaner is gone
(425 cars had a mid length style manifolds and this style is for a 360 hp car)
Has aftermarket knee knocker tach but clock,oil,charge gauges,missing radio,correct shifter on the floor and its a bench seat with 2-tone interior..
I really like the car...
U young guys on here like older cars or are just into the new stuff..
Here's a few pics of the car...
I think I could grab it for 23,000 (He wants 25,000)
This is a nice one
1961 Belair Coupe (Orig. 6cyl stick car)
Manual brake/Manual Steering (Could easily convert to disc brakes)
Engine 1963 409 (Solid Lifter 425HP Dual Quads)
Saginaw 4sp (Steel case)
Rearend 1963 Pumkin Posi (3.70's)
Car is straight and clean with new interior and paint
Needs alittle kindness under the hood but presentable..
The car has the wrong ex manifolds on it and air cleaner is gone
(425 cars had a mid length style manifolds and this style is for a 360 hp car)
Has aftermarket knee knocker tach but clock,oil,charge gauges,missing radio,correct shifter on the floor and its a bench seat with 2-tone interior..
I really like the car...
U young guys on here like older cars or are just into the new stuff..
Here's a few pics of the car...
I think I could grab it for 23,000 (He wants 25,000)
Last edited by JS; Jan 26, 2008 at 12:52 PM.
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Well the engine did spec out to a real 425HP and they are worth about 12K..
The correct manifolds are $$$ so that hurts it...
Only the SS cars came ps/pb but that can be added although I dont need ps..
I would add pb....
The 409 emblems are wrong on the front fenders,Only 62 and up had them
1961 409's are very rare if real,they only made 142 of them..
Bubble top 61 Belairs are getting rare,this is a nice bubble top with no rust and decent paint and new interior too..Sure its a clone but a nice one at that and if u were going to buy a 61 Bubble top 409 360HP car it would be over 45K and u couldnt drive it w/o being nuts..
The correct manifolds are $$$ so that hurts it...
Only the SS cars came ps/pb but that can be added although I dont need ps..
I would add pb....
The 409 emblems are wrong on the front fenders,Only 62 and up had them
1961 409's are very rare if real,they only made 142 of them..
Bubble top 61 Belairs are getting rare,this is a nice bubble top with no rust and decent paint and new interior too..Sure its a clone but a nice one at that and if u were going to buy a 61 Bubble top 409 360HP car it would be over 45K and u couldnt drive it w/o being nuts..
Last edited by JS; Jan 26, 2008 at 12:53 PM.
not bad, but going to need a bunch of details stuff. If you are into it, go for it.. I also think the price is high. looking at the pics overspray all over the motor compartment..
have you seen it in person
have you seen it in person
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Yea I know it needs some work but for 23K and maybe another 5k for extra work I think it would be a nice car....
I have somone looking at it for me in AR as we speak
I have somone looking at it for me in AR as we speak
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JS, just make sure you'll get enjoyment out of it. You have been spoiled by the ride/handling/braking of 4th gen LS1s and GTOs, that lone would steer me away from an older car as nice and simple as they are.
JS, just make sure you'll get enjoyment out of it. You have been spoiled by the ride/handling/braking of 4th gen LS1s and GTOs, that lone would steer me away from an older car as nice and simple as they are.
I'm a big fan of the older muscle cars. The car looks like it has potential especially with a killer stance and some nice rims and its definetly not a car you see everday, I like it but...I personally would pass and get a '64/'65 Goat, not sure how much there going for these days but they have to be my favorite. I know the '70 Chevelle's aint cheap but sure would be nice to have an SS with the LS6 454. What about a '66 or '69 Chevelle?
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I cant afford a LS6 car,there too much money..
A L34 350HP 396 Chevelle can be had for under 30K in nice shape
The GTO's are funny they can be 65K and under 25K depending on the car..I would take a 65 4sp tri-power car but there hard to find,mostly 66 and 67's and there not as pretty a the 64/65...
The Dual Quad 61 409 Clone is a bad *** car,U dont see them at many car shows.They ran well and this car is pretty solid,I am waiting to get the report back from the guy looking at it for me...
I also like the 1970 Camaro Z/28's too
They can be had for under 30K in nice shape...
A L34 350HP 396 Chevelle can be had for under 30K in nice shape
The GTO's are funny they can be 65K and under 25K depending on the car..I would take a 65 4sp tri-power car but there hard to find,mostly 66 and 67's and there not as pretty a the 64/65...
The Dual Quad 61 409 Clone is a bad *** car,U dont see them at many car shows.They ran well and this car is pretty solid,I am waiting to get the report back from the guy looking at it for me...
I also like the 1970 Camaro Z/28's too
They can be had for under 30K in nice shape...
I saw this online in Bensalem:
1972 Chevelle
Depends on what your tastes are I guess. I also think the price is a little high on the Belair. This time of year the "classic car" dealers sales get slow and they catch a case of "Barrett-Jackson" fever.
1972 Chevelle
Depends on what your tastes are I guess. I also think the price is a little high on the Belair. This time of year the "classic car" dealers sales get slow and they catch a case of "Barrett-Jackson" fever.
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Well like I said I have looked at a few BUBBLE TOP 61/62's and they range from 12K to 100K depending on condition and engine...
A solid lifter dual quad 409 engine is very rare,as is the correct saginaw and pumpkin stlye rearend...This has been checked and it is in fact a 63 drivetrain....Its worth some coin to a guy that has a late 62 or 63 Impala 409 that wants to return it to stock..
The BUBBLE TOP stlye body is worth its weight in gold if its in nice shape...I am going to do some hard thinking,I have a price in mind for the car and if the guy bites I'll buy it an make it a clone 409 car....
If not I'll keep looking for a 64 GTO or BB Chevelle
A solid lifter dual quad 409 engine is very rare,as is the correct saginaw and pumpkin stlye rearend...This has been checked and it is in fact a 63 drivetrain....Its worth some coin to a guy that has a late 62 or 63 Impala 409 that wants to return it to stock..
The BUBBLE TOP stlye body is worth its weight in gold if its in nice shape...I am going to do some hard thinking,I have a price in mind for the car and if the guy bites I'll buy it an make it a clone 409 car....
If not I'll keep looking for a 64 GTO or BB Chevelle
Last edited by JS; Jan 29, 2008 at 12:34 PM.
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Well got the info I wanted...
6 cyl mounts (Motor sits up too high)
Wrong front spings
4.10 gear (That sucks)
Paint okay but ALOT of overspray everywhere
Motor is tired but complete
Trans shifts nice
Overall a fair car and price too high for the work needed to be done
15K and I wouldve bought it,25K no dice.....
Oh well back to looking at 64/65 GTO's
6 cyl mounts (Motor sits up too high)
Wrong front spings
4.10 gear (That sucks)
Paint okay but ALOT of overspray everywhere
Motor is tired but complete
Trans shifts nice
Overall a fair car and price too high for the work needed to be done
15K and I wouldve bought it,25K no dice.....
Oh well back to looking at 64/65 GTO's
The engine maybe rare but as far as value its NOT original, nor a numbers matcher, I wouldnt pay that price due to that reason. Buy it because you like it, pay what you think its worth apart.
Certainly a clean car but if one thing isnt correct and I am not talking the original motor was replaced with the exact type but just the build date is off enough not to be called #'s matcher at least if the original, it worth coin. But a 6 cyl to a 409 is too big of a gap.
I've owned old cars, I had a 70 Chevelle (NON-SS car), I have a 66 327 #'s matching original and a 68 Camaro RS for a future project with a 327 2 speed PG which will be worth money if I keep it that way, if I change **** out, I better keep it safe and make it where I can replace it easily.
I want to take the 327/2-speed out of the camaro and my father inlaw has a 427 BB motor, I want to put fuel injection up top and a manual trans and drive it, if I sell it, swap it bacl and make some money. This car does not have that potential.
So dont pay too much for it.
Certainly a clean car but if one thing isnt correct and I am not talking the original motor was replaced with the exact type but just the build date is off enough not to be called #'s matcher at least if the original, it worth coin. But a 6 cyl to a 409 is too big of a gap.
I've owned old cars, I had a 70 Chevelle (NON-SS car), I have a 66 327 #'s matching original and a 68 Camaro RS for a future project with a 327 2 speed PG which will be worth money if I keep it that way, if I change **** out, I better keep it safe and make it where I can replace it easily.
I want to take the 327/2-speed out of the camaro and my father inlaw has a 427 BB motor, I want to put fuel injection up top and a manual trans and drive it, if I sell it, swap it bacl and make some money. This car does not have that potential.
So dont pay too much for it.
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Well a REAL 61 409 of which on 124 were made are worth north of 100K
So I wont be buying a # matching 409 car......
I have found some REAL NICE # matching 64 GTO's for about 35K
There are near perfect but out of my budget...
I might do the right thing,re-fi my house at 10yrs and stay in it for 5 more yrs..Then sell it and walk away with a decent amount of moola,move into a over 50 community and buy the GTO and just work 5 days a week at Dales shop
Or do the nutty thing and hack myself to the bone and do it now?
Decisions,Decisions....
So I wont be buying a # matching 409 car......
I have found some REAL NICE # matching 64 GTO's for about 35K
There are near perfect but out of my budget...
I might do the right thing,re-fi my house at 10yrs and stay in it for 5 more yrs..Then sell it and walk away with a decent amount of moola,move into a over 50 community and buy the GTO and just work 5 days a week at Dales shop
Or do the nutty thing and hack myself to the bone and do it now?
Decisions,Decisions....
I got a 72 Chevelle malibu for sale its apart right now. Body is rough needs rear quarters and paint. I have a fiberglass front end on it, also have the original steel. Interior is mostly new. I put a 4 wheel disc brake conversion and a new 12 bolt in it. Let me know if anyone is interested.
