Procharged LQ4 serpentine issues
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Procharged LQ4 serpentine issues Sup all, some quick background is in order before I pose my question. Got an LQ4 S10 I've been building for the past few months, and have recently decided to go with a Procharger DSC1, mostly from reading all the reviews on here. I was shopping today, putting together my serpentine system (engine was purchased sans accessories) when I hit a potential road block. Where in the hell do I put the Procharger?
The kit I'm lookin at, the Kwik Performance kit, puts the a/c compressor on the passenger side, about intake manifold high. I want to retain the a/c, as well as the power steering pump, but I do not see how I could make all of that work. Every kit I've seen runs a Procharger up top, which is where my A/C will be. The only place I could fathom to put it would be down low on the pass. side, which would make plumbing for intake/intercooler piping virtually impossible.
Just wanted to get everyone's opinion on this, and maybe some insight into setups that others used to accomplish this. I want a Procharger, but I refuse to lose A/C to get it!!
-Josh-
The kit I'm lookin at, the Kwik Performance kit, puts the a/c compressor on the passenger side, about intake manifold high. I want to retain the a/c, as well as the power steering pump, but I do not see how I could make all of that work. Every kit I've seen runs a Procharger up top, which is where my A/C will be. The only place I could fathom to put it would be down low on the pass. side, which would make plumbing for intake/intercooler piping virtually impossible.
Just wanted to get everyone's opinion on this, and maybe some insight into setups that others used to accomplish this. I want a Procharger, but I refuse to lose A/C to get it!!
-Josh-
Call Bob at Brute Speed. He knows his stuff. I just purchased a procharger setup from him for a 02 TA. The head unit actually mounts down low on the driverside. It's a very nice kit. I also do not have to relocate anything at all. And yes I do still have AC, PS and all the factory accessories in the factory location. Give Bob a call.
We have done about 10 s10 ls swaps and let me tell you it will not be easy.
Truck kit will put the blower too high and out of the hood on the driver side.
The Camaro kit puts it on the lower drivers side but that will not work with the power steering box and lower frame rail.
The best option is the Vette accessories with the Vette kit. This puts the blower in front on the pass side but there is no room for an air filter. Also to run AC you would have to put the compressor in the factory location and notch that frame rail.
Truck kit will put the blower too high and out of the hood on the driver side.
The Camaro kit puts it on the lower drivers side but that will not work with the power steering box and lower frame rail.
The best option is the Vette accessories with the Vette kit. This puts the blower in front on the pass side but there is no room for an air filter. Also to run AC you would have to put the compressor in the factory location and notch that frame rail.
Thanks Marcus, I appreciate it!
If you went with the C5/C6 bracket assembly, here are the required parts.
http://shop.brutespeed.com/ATI-3GKBB...-3GKBB-006.htm
http://shop.brutespeed.com/ATI-3GKBB...-3GKBB-010.htm
http://shop.brutespeed.com/ATI-Perfo...-AT-917345.htm
http://shop.brutespeed.com/ATI-Perfo...-AT-918993.htm
http://shop.brutespeed.com/ATI-3FASS...-3FASS-007.htm or http://shop.brutespeed.com/ATI-AV008...AV008A-001.htm
http://shop.brutespeed.com/ATI-ProCh...ME001G-006.htm
Give me a call for head unit pricing, prices too low to post!
You will also need fuel injectors and a fuel pump, plus an intercooler system. Bob
If you went with the C5/C6 bracket assembly, here are the required parts.
http://shop.brutespeed.com/ATI-3GKBB...-3GKBB-006.htm
http://shop.brutespeed.com/ATI-3GKBB...-3GKBB-010.htm
http://shop.brutespeed.com/ATI-Perfo...-AT-917345.htm
http://shop.brutespeed.com/ATI-Perfo...-AT-918993.htm
http://shop.brutespeed.com/ATI-3FASS...-3FASS-007.htm or http://shop.brutespeed.com/ATI-AV008...AV008A-001.htm
http://shop.brutespeed.com/ATI-ProCh...ME001G-006.htm
Give me a call for head unit pricing, prices too low to post!
You will also need fuel injectors and a fuel pump, plus an intercooler system. Bob
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The Corvette system shown below alleviates the hassle of the inlet plumbing, provided there is room to run the inlet straight out. I know this works out as about the only solution of 3rd gen Mazda RX7/LS engines when installing a ProCharger. Bob
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Possibly, but I'm not sure if the S10 is wide enough for it, plus it would probably be too high too.. Bob
http://shop.brutespeed.com/ATI-3LSBB...-3LSBB-001.htm
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Truck kit will put the blower too high and out of the hood on the driver side.
The best option is the Vette accessories with the Vette kit. This puts the blower in front on the pass side but there is no room for an air filter. Also to run AC you would have to put the compressor in the factory location and notch that frame rail.
http://shop.brutespeed.com/ATI-3LSBB...-3LSBB-001.htm
Truck kit will put the blower too high and out of the hood on the driver side.
The best option is the Vette accessories with the Vette kit. This puts the blower in front on the pass side but there is no room for an air filter. Also to run AC you would have to put the compressor in the factory location and notch that frame rail.
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Wow, you guys rock! Such an influx of valuable info on this thread. Just wanted to clear up a few things.
I have no issue notching the framerail, so it seems that the corvette accessory drive with factory locations for the accessories is the way to go. This will be a blow-through carb Procharged engine, I plan to upgrade to EFI in the future but already have everything to get it running on the carb. Carb is a 750 blow-through Demon, setup by The Carb Shop.
Looks like if I use the system Bob is advocating, the Procharger will be up top on the pass side, which is cool, as it would be no problem to clearance that area for intake tubing/intercooler tubing. Only thing there atm is the battery, which will be relocated to the bed anyway. I'll be running an intercooler, rad, and condenser, so it'll be tight, but we've got radiator support mods planned to give us more room. Not to mention, this is just the kick in the *** I need to go ahead with the Corvette accessory drive. That'll give me precious room between the engine and all these coolers/radiators/condensers.
I search for an answer to this and haven't found one yet. If I switch the LQ4 over to Corvette acc, I mainly just swap the crank pulley for a 'Vette unit and build the rest from OEM parts? Or would Brute Speed carry everything I need? Gonna look over those parts links again to see if I missed anything.
Thanks a TON guys, and any more info is greatly appreciated, as I fight to put this awesome setup in my lil' S-rocket!
-Josh-
I have no issue notching the framerail, so it seems that the corvette accessory drive with factory locations for the accessories is the way to go. This will be a blow-through carb Procharged engine, I plan to upgrade to EFI in the future but already have everything to get it running on the carb. Carb is a 750 blow-through Demon, setup by The Carb Shop.
Looks like if I use the system Bob is advocating, the Procharger will be up top on the pass side, which is cool, as it would be no problem to clearance that area for intake tubing/intercooler tubing. Only thing there atm is the battery, which will be relocated to the bed anyway. I'll be running an intercooler, rad, and condenser, so it'll be tight, but we've got radiator support mods planned to give us more room. Not to mention, this is just the kick in the *** I need to go ahead with the Corvette accessory drive. That'll give me precious room between the engine and all these coolers/radiators/condensers.
I search for an answer to this and haven't found one yet. If I switch the LQ4 over to Corvette acc, I mainly just swap the crank pulley for a 'Vette unit and build the rest from OEM parts? Or would Brute Speed carry everything I need? Gonna look over those parts links again to see if I missed anything.
Thanks a TON guys, and any more info is greatly appreciated, as I fight to put this awesome setup in my lil' S-rocket!
-Josh-
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K, looked over the links again. Looks like I replace my huge-normous crank pulley with the damper, pin the crank, then use the 8 rib kit(s) you linked. I believe I will still need all the 'Vette accessories and brackets, which I can get from LKQ or GM, but correct me if I'm wrong.
Kinda confused on the bracket bag(s), as this is my first supercharger setup. Do I need both the 8 rib bag and the 8 rib sub bag? Kinda hard to tell from the pic and the description as to what it includes.
Thanks again!
-Josh-
Kinda confused on the bracket bag(s), as this is my first supercharger setup. Do I need both the 8 rib bag and the 8 rib sub bag? Kinda hard to tell from the pic and the description as to what it includes.
Thanks again!
-Josh-
K, looked over the links again. Looks like I replace my huge-normous crank pulley with the damper, pin the crank, then use the 8 rib kit(s) you linked. I believe I will still need all the 'Vette accessories and brackets, which I can get from LKQ or GM, but correct me if I'm wrong.
Kinda confused on the bracket bag(s), as this is my first supercharger setup. Do I need both the 8 rib bag and the 8 rib sub bag? Kinda hard to tell from the pic and the description as to what it includes.
Thanks again!
-Josh-
Kinda confused on the bracket bag(s), as this is my first supercharger setup. Do I need both the 8 rib bag and the 8 rib sub bag? Kinda hard to tell from the pic and the description as to what it includes.
Thanks again!
-Josh-
Hi Josh, the head unit will actually sit towards the passenger side.
You do need the 8 rib bag and the 8 rib sub bag. The 8 rib bag contains the bracket assembly, and the sub bag contains the eight rib conversion parts needed to switch everything over from a six rib to an eight rib. I need to get better pic's and better descriptions on the parts. Thanks. Bob
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I would like to get some dimensional info on the Trailblazer kit. It might fit in an s10, but I think it might be a bit high. The hood does slope down on the sides and especially in the front.
If it did fit below the hood you would need to relocate the batt. Also the coolant resivour could be removed for the air filter off the back of the blower.
I wish the truck kit would work as they are cheap and available, the trailblazer kit might have some promise though.
For big horsepower I would go the vette route as the belt situation is better suited for high horsepower.
The vette kit will put the inlet of the blower about 2" away from the radiator on the core support. I am not sure if you could get a cobra head intake elbow on there with moving the radiator inside the support.
If it did fit below the hood you would need to relocate the batt. Also the coolant resivour could be removed for the air filter off the back of the blower.
I wish the truck kit would work as they are cheap and available, the trailblazer kit might have some promise though.
For big horsepower I would go the vette route as the belt situation is better suited for high horsepower.
The vette kit will put the inlet of the blower about 2" away from the radiator on the core support. I am not sure if you could get a cobra head intake elbow on there with moving the radiator inside the support.
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Thanks for the pic Bob, I have decided on the Vette kit because of your input. Which brings me to my next endeavor, hunting down a good 'Vette accessory kit.
When this first started, I specced out the Kwik kit, but it relocates the a/c compressor. Is there any aftermarket kit available to keep stock location on the accessories? I'd love to just buy it and bolt it in, and not have to hunt down part #s/parts from a junkyard or the stealership. Any input on this is greatly appreciated. Like I say, if need be, I can hunt down the parts, but want to consider all options.
@Hellbents, this S-10 will end up with a severely modded rad support, I'll prolly end up designing my own support when its all said and done. Just gonna be such a challenge to fit all those coolers up front, I almost wanna go ahead and junk the stock one and start from scratch, but will only do that if push comes to shove. I read much about the Vette accessory setup and it looks like it will do the job. I can get creative with the tubing/piping, and the support, so she's goin in there whether she likes it or not! Everything that can be removed/relocated from the engine compartment will do just that.
-Josh-
When this first started, I specced out the Kwik kit, but it relocates the a/c compressor. Is there any aftermarket kit available to keep stock location on the accessories? I'd love to just buy it and bolt it in, and not have to hunt down part #s/parts from a junkyard or the stealership. Any input on this is greatly appreciated. Like I say, if need be, I can hunt down the parts, but want to consider all options.
@Hellbents, this S-10 will end up with a severely modded rad support, I'll prolly end up designing my own support when its all said and done. Just gonna be such a challenge to fit all those coolers up front, I almost wanna go ahead and junk the stock one and start from scratch, but will only do that if push comes to shove. I read much about the Vette accessory setup and it looks like it will do the job. I can get creative with the tubing/piping, and the support, so she's goin in there whether she likes it or not! Everything that can be removed/relocated from the engine compartment will do just that.
-Josh-
Sounds like you are on the correct path! The last LSx s10 I put together had vette accessories and it ended up costing me about $1200.00 minus the AC stuff. Most all of it was new from the dealer right down to the fasteners. Sounds like a fun project! Some day I will ditch the maggie on my daily driver s10 for something like this, 11.8@120 is too slow.
i run the vette setup with a carb in my Chevelle, with an 8 rib upgrade-i used, i believe, an F body blower intake, cut the nipples off and sealed them off, just fit in front of the radiator-i tried the truck one, could have run a larger filter, but the curve was wrong
i used 2000-2004 vette access. stuff, ATI balancer
car ran quicker w/o the filter setup on it, but suspect if i made another opening in the inlet would help
i used 2000-2004 vette access. stuff, ATI balancer
car ran quicker w/o the filter setup on it, but suspect if i made another opening in the inlet would help
Thanks for the pic Bob, I have decided on the Vette kit because of your input. Which brings me to my next endeavor, hunting down a good 'Vette accessory kit.
When this first started, I specced out the Kwik kit, but it relocates the a/c compressor. Is there any aftermarket kit available to keep stock location on the accessories? I'd love to just buy it and bolt it in, and not have to hunt down part #s/parts from a junkyard or the stealership. Any input on this is greatly appreciated. Like I say, if need be, I can hunt down the parts, but want to consider all options.
@Hellbents, this S-10 will end up with a severely modded rad support, I'll prolly end up designing my own support when its all said and done. Just gonna be such a challenge to fit all those coolers up front, I almost wanna go ahead and junk the stock one and start from scratch, but will only do that if push comes to shove. I read much about the Vette accessory setup and it looks like it will do the job. I can get creative with the tubing/piping, and the support, so she's goin in there whether she likes it or not! Everything that can be removed/relocated from the engine compartment will do just that.
-Josh-
When this first started, I specced out the Kwik kit, but it relocates the a/c compressor. Is there any aftermarket kit available to keep stock location on the accessories? I'd love to just buy it and bolt it in, and not have to hunt down part #s/parts from a junkyard or the stealership. Any input on this is greatly appreciated. Like I say, if need be, I can hunt down the parts, but want to consider all options.
@Hellbents, this S-10 will end up with a severely modded rad support, I'll prolly end up designing my own support when its all said and done. Just gonna be such a challenge to fit all those coolers up front, I almost wanna go ahead and junk the stock one and start from scratch, but will only do that if push comes to shove. I read much about the Vette accessory setup and it looks like it will do the job. I can get creative with the tubing/piping, and the support, so she's goin in there whether she likes it or not! Everything that can be removed/relocated from the engine compartment will do just that.
-Josh-
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Any updates to this? Bob
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