Vengeance Racing | What can methanol do for you?
10-16-2014, 10:59 AM
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Vengeance Racing | What can methanol do for you? Methanol has become increasingly popular in the automotive performance world, and one of the most frequently asked questions from our customers is "what can methanol do for my car?".
This is a very understandable question, and one that is very easy to break down and explain in a simple way. Methanol injection systems are setup to inject a fine spray of methanol (a simple form of alcohol made from oxidizing methane gas) into the inlet stream of an engine. The methanol will both dramatically cool the incoming air charge, as well as raise the effective octane of the fuel coming into the vehicle, therefor lessening the risk for detonation and allowing more aggressive timing when tuning. In house, we tune using intake air temperature reference to avoid catastrophic failure if the methanol reservoir goes empty or a pump fails when driving.
Another very common question when discussing methanol is "what is the consumption rate of methanol, and what maintenance is involved?". This is a very difficult question to answer, since it depends on driving style and how the system is setup. VP M1 methanol can be obtained at any VP fuel distributor or most local race tracks, and runs roughly $30.00/5-gallon pail. When using a windshield washer reservoir system, you should get atleast two fills from one 5 gallon pail of M1 methanol.
Here in the shop, we use AlkyControl methanol systems that are able to be set up to inject progressively based on the MAF sensor or by boost reference (MAP). Injection by boost is very nice for our street car customers that are afraid of methanol consumption when driving in traffic or around town.
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Now for the power results:
1. 2014 Corvette C7 - VRSC750 Package - Dual Nozzle vs. Single Nozzle
This customer's vehicle came to us from Texas early this year for our VRSC750 performance package for the C7 Corvette. After completing installation and taking the car to the WannaGOFAST Texas 1/2 mile event, the customer wanted more power. We had the customer set up on a single nozzle AlkyControl system during the original installation, and knew that with the C7's limited fuel system, we would need to upgrade to the dual nozzle setup. The conversion is very straight forward, and allowed us to pulley down to 12psi on this particular C7.
The dyno graph below shows a comparison between the single nozzle system and the dual nozzle system on the same day.
34.13rwhp/31.24rwtq Increase!!
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2. 2011 Camaro SS w/ D-1SC Prochager Methanol vs. No Methanol
This customer's Camaro SS came to us originally with a goal in mind of building the car in stages since it was new in 2011. We started with your standard bolt-ons and then quickly moved to a VRSP-2 camshaft and Procharger D-1SC supercharger system. The car made excellent power throughout and drove extremely well on the street, however we had to keep the rev limiter back as the OEM fuel system and Kenne Bell Boost-A-Pump were not enough to keep up with his new found horsepower.
To fix this, we installed a ZL1 OEM fuel pump and an AlkyControl dual nozzle methanol system. Unfortunately Procharger requires replacement of the OEM washer reservoir that we typically use for the methanol resevoir, so a trunk-mount kit was ordered for the project.
As you can see from the graph below, power and torque increased tremendously throughout the curve, and intake air temperatures dropped dramatically.
56.12rwhp/41.30rwtq Increase!
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3. 2013 Cadillac CTS-V - Methanol vs. No Methanol
Another great example of a methanol vs. no methanol comparison is our customer's 600hp CTS-V. This vehicle came to us for an install of a slew of bolt-on performance parts and the intention of adding methanol at a later date. After driving the car for a few weeks, the customer agreed that methanol would be the best course of action to maintain his IAT's when driving for extended periods, as well as pickup a bit more power than where he was at. For this vehicle, we utilized a single nozzle AlkyControl system with their windshield washer reservoir option.
This kit allowed us to push the car over the 600rwhp mark, as well as deliver a much more consistent vehicle. This customer is planning to attend the 1/2 mile events with us as well, and knows that intake air temperatures are key on a supercharged car to maintain power throughout the entire run.
46.08rwhp/56.51rwtq Increase!
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We offer methanol injection systems for all LSX and Gen V/LTX vehicles with either N/A, supercharged, or turbocharged applications. Feel free to give us a call to discuss your goals and how a Vengeance Racing installed methanol system can help you achieve them!
This is a very understandable question, and one that is very easy to break down and explain in a simple way. Methanol injection systems are setup to inject a fine spray of methanol (a simple form of alcohol made from oxidizing methane gas) into the inlet stream of an engine. The methanol will both dramatically cool the incoming air charge, as well as raise the effective octane of the fuel coming into the vehicle, therefor lessening the risk for detonation and allowing more aggressive timing when tuning. In house, we tune using intake air temperature reference to avoid catastrophic failure if the methanol reservoir goes empty or a pump fails when driving.
Another very common question when discussing methanol is "what is the consumption rate of methanol, and what maintenance is involved?". This is a very difficult question to answer, since it depends on driving style and how the system is setup. VP M1 methanol can be obtained at any VP fuel distributor or most local race tracks, and runs roughly $30.00/5-gallon pail. When using a windshield washer reservoir system, you should get atleast two fills from one 5 gallon pail of M1 methanol.
Here in the shop, we use AlkyControl methanol systems that are able to be set up to inject progressively based on the MAF sensor or by boost reference (MAP). Injection by boost is very nice for our street car customers that are afraid of methanol consumption when driving in traffic or around town.
---
Now for the power results:
1. 2014 Corvette C7 - VRSC750 Package - Dual Nozzle vs. Single Nozzle
This customer's vehicle came to us from Texas early this year for our VRSC750 performance package for the C7 Corvette. After completing installation and taking the car to the WannaGOFAST Texas 1/2 mile event, the customer wanted more power. We had the customer set up on a single nozzle AlkyControl system during the original installation, and knew that with the C7's limited fuel system, we would need to upgrade to the dual nozzle setup. The conversion is very straight forward, and allowed us to pulley down to 12psi on this particular C7.
The dyno graph below shows a comparison between the single nozzle system and the dual nozzle system on the same day.
34.13rwhp/31.24rwtq Increase!!
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2. 2011 Camaro SS w/ D-1SC Prochager Methanol vs. No Methanol
This customer's Camaro SS came to us originally with a goal in mind of building the car in stages since it was new in 2011. We started with your standard bolt-ons and then quickly moved to a VRSP-2 camshaft and Procharger D-1SC supercharger system. The car made excellent power throughout and drove extremely well on the street, however we had to keep the rev limiter back as the OEM fuel system and Kenne Bell Boost-A-Pump were not enough to keep up with his new found horsepower.
To fix this, we installed a ZL1 OEM fuel pump and an AlkyControl dual nozzle methanol system. Unfortunately Procharger requires replacement of the OEM washer reservoir that we typically use for the methanol resevoir, so a trunk-mount kit was ordered for the project.
As you can see from the graph below, power and torque increased tremendously throughout the curve, and intake air temperatures dropped dramatically.
56.12rwhp/41.30rwtq Increase!
---
3. 2013 Cadillac CTS-V - Methanol vs. No Methanol
Another great example of a methanol vs. no methanol comparison is our customer's 600hp CTS-V. This vehicle came to us for an install of a slew of bolt-on performance parts and the intention of adding methanol at a later date. After driving the car for a few weeks, the customer agreed that methanol would be the best course of action to maintain his IAT's when driving for extended periods, as well as pickup a bit more power than where he was at. For this vehicle, we utilized a single nozzle AlkyControl system with their windshield washer reservoir option.
This kit allowed us to push the car over the 600rwhp mark, as well as deliver a much more consistent vehicle. This customer is planning to attend the 1/2 mile events with us as well, and knows that intake air temperatures are key on a supercharged car to maintain power throughout the entire run.
46.08rwhp/56.51rwtq Increase!
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We offer methanol injection systems for all LSX and Gen V/LTX vehicles with either N/A, supercharged, or turbocharged applications. Feel free to give us a call to discuss your goals and how a Vengeance Racing installed methanol system can help you achieve them!
10-16-2014, 11:38 AM
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Methenol is a great product. Expecially Alky control. We have used them for over 10 years.
My personal 99 TA race car that runs 93 octane,dual methanol setup and through a TH400. Been 2 years like this. High7/low8 second car. Makes well over 1000rwhp.
My personal 99 TA race car that runs 93 octane,dual methanol setup and through a TH400. Been 2 years like this. High7/low8 second car. Makes well over 1000rwhp.
10-16-2014, 11:46 PM
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The seals on the windshield washer reservoir in the CTS V will eventually leak when exposed to straight methanol. It's best to plastic weld all the holes shut and remove the WW pumps.
Ask me how I know lol.
This was never a problem on C6 corvettes with straight meth.
Ask me how I know lol.
This was never a problem on C6 corvettes with straight meth.
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10-17-2014, 12:41 PM
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You mentioned M1 grade.
But what's the difference with the various methanol options ?
I've only ever used pure chemical grade methanol. I can get it locally in 40gal drums and it's pretty cheap that way.
Smaller quantities bump the price up insane amounts, and branded race methanol is also insane prices in the UK.
Is there really any difference ?
But what's the difference with the various methanol options ?
I've only ever used pure chemical grade methanol. I can get it locally in 40gal drums and it's pretty cheap that way.
Smaller quantities bump the price up insane amounts, and branded race methanol is also insane prices in the UK.
Is there really any difference ?
