New BTR CAST INTAKE
 

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They’re going to be in rectangle and cathedral port

Any idea on price point? Looks badass, plenty of plenum with low height.

Shearer made his own awhile back by modifying the as cast high ram.

Shearer still make them. He actually just finalized them.

And rotary1307cc had his on his car and beating on it for over two years before Shearer had his released.

They said it will cost less than a FAST intake.

Yep, it was interesting to watch him fab it for is RX7. I thought he was a nut at first but it seems to work.

I am still foggy on what these are supposed to accomplish. Eliminate lean #7??? I assume torque will be down in the low RPM's for street cars.

It supposed to be more equalization and distribution to each runner. Air passes though a long slot after going though one plenum and is suppose to be better distributed to the next.

Exactly who I thought of!

looks great. you can take the top off and hide contraband in there too.

Their going to post some results on the intake, should be interesting. So much to pick from anymore, its crazy.

BTR=:pimp:

Interested to see how these perform over the Hi-Ram.

Yes, 2017 into 2018 brought a lot of different options for LS intakes. It was well overdue!

I would sure hope so. FAST intakes are way overpriced and BTR doesn't seem like the type of company that likes to gouge people.

Very interesting.

Well I'd sure as shit hope so. These composite manifolds are the biggest racket going right now.

Does it look like it'l fit in a 4th gen? Seems pretty short.

Looks similar to the early 90's Chevy Indy design. Seems like the intake runners would be on the short side...


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I'm sopping wet from that picture, but that's gotta be a prototype or different manifold cuz it sure isn't all cast.

That's the Shearer one. I think he modifies a cast intake them to order. BTR I think is a fully cast unit.

That is the shearer one.

Shears and tooleys are both true dual plenums just like mine.

Both will work very well

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Wonder if it'll fit f body without much cutting?

Looks awesome.

Certainly looks interesting, but does look like the runners will be very short, and plenum not so large ?

He's obviously trying to keep it with a low height profile.

watching this one

Now where have I seen an intake with internals like that before? Hmmm... Oh yeah, the factory TBSS intake! GM ran the TBSS intake in their GTP or Lemans race programs.

This site is still very 4th Gen centric - where hood clearance dictates most intake decisions/bias - so we can assume that will be the front runner for opinions/interest by many.

But what about heat soak? Is everyone okay with that now? Oh and the weight? Yes, I am being facetious.

Heat soak, lol.

Did you make the lower plenum or is that something that can be bought?

http://www.yellowbullet.com/forum/sh....php?t=1113682

thanks

Clears fbody hood and cowl
Update....

Good news. When will they be available and when will they be posting some test?

Hoping for spring time and test results no ETA yet. Curious which application people are more interested in seeing? NA or boosted?

Um boosted?

I messaged them on FB about whether the throttle body opening will be 92mm or 102mm , they replied back that it is looking to be 102mm.

I'm sure both, I know I am. I have a FAST manifold waiting at home to go on my car. I plan on procharging my car in the not too distant future so would love a manifold that performed good now NA and is made out of metal for FI later.

Given it's alloy they should really aim for the 92mm with the option of 102mm.

Especially for boost and DBW, where it seems most of the larger units dont work for this, and the stock 90mm can support over 2k anyway

N/A would want the larger opening no doubt

I mean that's a pretty CLEAR copy of Shearers already proven unit.

http://shearerfabrications.com/sf06-05001.html/


Never good to see an American company ripping off another American company.


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Other than being dual plenum they are clearly different.

You mean how Edlebrock, Weiand, Holley, Dart, Pro Prodcuts, ProComp and dozens of others have ripped the SBC intake?

Or how BMR ripped Strano's springs? But that's for another post.

Maybe there was an agreement between the two companies. Has anyone considered that?

Actually this intake was in development before the Shearer intake came out.

So.....an intake design that easily goes back 35+ years....who's copying any design ?

I would love to see some dyno testing of a stock LS3 intake, the Holley Hi-Ram and then the new BTR version in a healthy turbo application.

I'd love to see some dyno testing of any of the intakes on a decent power build !

Seems impossible to get though. Outright power ? I doubt any really shine over the others, other than over specific rpm ranges...usually the big intakes over 7k.
But it would be very interesting to see how each cylinder was behaving with this style vs a regular open, single entry plenum intakes.

Yeah power is not the point.

I agree with you different reasons...

If someone has a patent then they clearly will not get copied, at least not IN the U.S.
Without a patent, then yep, expect a good design to be copied right away.

Well this is decades too late to be considered a copy after any initial designs

Love to see some na testing on the btr and the shear.

Someone did a low P Dual Plenum LS intake decades ago?

I get that the tech has been out since the 70's, but no one has made a production piece for the LS before Ron that I have seen. His shit is taking off, and now a big name company comes out with one?

Can anyone show evidence of a mass production Dual Plenum existing before Ron's?

Looks like it will...

Well, I have to give it up to BTR's marketing. To drop a pic of that thing and not give any other info about the application, threads like this are bound to run wild. Any publicity is good publicity, unless you force chicks to watch you jerk it into a poinsettia.

Feel free to correct me about the application.

Race car
Forced induction
High RPM
High Boost

Will you loose low end torque? Probably. Will it heat soak? See above, doesn't matter. Are there other designs similar? Maybe, but competition is good.

I'd like to see this tested with a large cam, good heads, and a nitrous plate on a 346, or just a SBE LS1 and nitrous. Is it safe to assume nitrous outlet will make a plate for this like the high ram plate that goes on top instead of the TB opening?

Looks like BTR is gonna have a hit on their hands

HELLO FRIENDS!

Logan here. I'm the fool that takes care of BTR's marketing. I took the position a few months back and we will have a much more active presence on the forums moving forward. We had rumblings about CHINA MADE, and THEY KNOCKED OFF RON's! Which is disappointing. These are USA made, and we were months into development when Ron dropped his. His intakes are BAD units, no doubt. Highly respect what he's done for the community!

Here is the post associated with our last update.

We released teaser shots of an intake we've been developing throughout 2017. One of the big questions was WILL IT CLEAR MY F-BODY COWL? We took one of the prototypes over to Clifton's garage and the results will please the 4th Gen owners! His car is equipped with a BMR K-Member, but we have a ton of real estate to compensate. Complete fitment on an OEM K-member will come out soon. We will not release until we've done our due diligence in regards to performance. Our goal is to provide quality components, the testing of these units will be extensive. Hope to get a C5 equipped with one for clearance questions soon. We will keep everyone posted!

FAQ - Answers
- Made in the good ol' USA
- Cathedral ports will come first
- Square ports will come after
- Competitive price point. Affordability is KEY.
- Aiming for Spring 2018 release.

ALSO-

We've begun testing this against intakes in a boosted 1200hp application. So far, we're very confident it will be a great piece for the community. However, NA applications have to see a benefit to this switch. We wont release it without an immense amount of due diligence in regards to testing. Stay tuned!

Care to explain why it's an "ignorant point of view"? With the vast majority here in this community being in the 8 second and slower category, please explain the benefit of the high end....often high price intake over the cheaper stock piece, which has been demonstrated to get it done time and again. And just to be clear, talking boosted cars here.

Logan here...
Just Chiming in-

LS6 intakes are a GREAT piece from the factory. We're going head to head with an LS6, Proflo, MSD, FAST, Holley etc when we test ours. All have really nice pieces in their own right. Some companies will skew and blur results to move product these days. That's the last goal we have in mind. I think the price point of ours will be very enticing, especially if these Stock LS6 intakes keep getting listed for $400+ on facebook sale forums LOL!

Bottom line, in my mind, will be partial performance, partial aesthetics. When the final revisions are done, I expect it to light up an engine bay. Now if someone calls us and says "Do I need to spend xxx.xx on the BTR intake? I already have an LS6." We will respond with brutal honesty. If ours outperforms an LS6 but a client's money is better spent on chassis, fueling, etc, we wont EVER upsell something that compromises a complete vehicle package. If we upsold parts like the drop shippers of the world, we wouldnt have the client base we do. Customer satisfaction and avoiding buyer's remorse are far more valuable than a few bucks in an upsell.





When all the nitrous guys 'splode the ls6's that are left....
Ours will still be here.

My interest continues to grow as does my ahem ahem.

Not clear what you mean when you said "However, NA applications have to see a benefit to this switch."

Hope to see something soon.

Simply meaning we need this thing to perform VERY WELL for our Naturally Aspirated clients as well. Thats a big portion of testing to come!

This was very well put, and is probably the reason I've yet to hear any bad press about you. Its comments like this that earns business, btw I'm here in Louisville.... so I'm pretty close to you.

Logan Here -

Much appreciated brother. We have our share of naysayers, but we treat them the same as our friends and clients. This industry is too small to treat people like crap. As my grandfather said "You meet the same people on the way up, that you'll see if you're on the way down." Brian's mantra is about building a community, not a cult.

Swing by the shop sometime also. We're only a short drive! Working on open house/track day for the season. We'll keep you posted.

Can't wait to hear how this intake performs under N/A. Seems like it'll be great for the forced induction guys/gals, but the design looks like it'll be completely different than anyone is currently running. Most curious to how the BTR intake responds to cruise/low air flow situations for big cam N/A motors.




Nice to see some new blood being pumped into the LS motors!!

Doing our best to eliminate intake air reversion in the plenum. Should do wonders for those situations. We'll keep you posted!

Any clearance issues with the ls1 water pump running a 102 throttle body on this intake?

Where did I say they made a LS intake ? Dual plenum is simply a type of design that has been around for decades...just because someone is applying it to a different engine doesnt suddenly make it new and unique to them as if they are the owners of it.

And you could equally say that Shearer is just copying Zac after he did his a year or two ago.

And a custom fabricated piece is hardly "mass produced"....

Shearers piece is of course very very nice...but still very very tall. So a very different market to what BTR would be aiming for as his looks to retain quite a low profile.

I think its great what your doing for the community Brian. Thank you for your efforts. The people that provide nothing for the community are the ones that talk smack...too common of a trend

I'm excited that us LS3 guys might actually have in intake that will show good gains over the stock intake. Now I just hope it will fit the C6 Vettes.

There are intakes out there for the ls3 with good gains. You just have to be willing to cam it to spin to 7500

Hey Logan, any new updates or Friday teasers to share?? I'm pretty sure that if all goes well with your testing my FAST 102 will be off and this new BTR intake will be taking it's place!!


Keep us posted!!

Not yet!

(the first revised casting with updates is in prep phase)

Make this process go faster!!

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Awesome! Looks good on there.

I like that the tb is in the oe spot. It will work with my carbon air box like that.

Any projection of cost?

Badass.

Was the k member shimmed down at all to get that clearance on the stock cowl?

Any updates?

Any plans to make LS7 port?

Hope he makes all the ports!

Anything new to report on how these Intakes are coming along?

I was informed it will be june/july before available for retail from my source directly at BTR.

These intakes will be hitting the market as soon as possible.. Just a little more time and testing to ensure we produce maximum gains. It will be available in cathedral and square port. The price point is going to be between 6xx-7xx range....

look forward to this product dropping sometime in july/august !

Hope you guys are ready to make some BTR jam

Travis@briantooleyracing.com

What is the port size. I am wanting to get one when they come out and am curious what plate kit it can be used with if it can be done at all.

If you need to send a cathedral one out for beta testing, I would be willing to turn up boost for reliability sake..... :)

any updates on how it might respond to having a plate kit on it and any internal pictures of it

Any updates on C5 fitment?

any updates on letting me field test it on my shitbox chevy pickup?

too bad it is coming out too late for me. Going to have to go with a High Ram.

I have a test car for testing :D

I'm sure BTR has a few high hp cars in their arsenal to use as test beds.

...but if they want someone with a blower, who is a supermod on this site, and has a facebook group dedicated to FI LS motors to try out the intake, I can hook them up with that person.

Why does it always have to be about high hp or blower cars?

sure they should test it to. But the vast majority is cars in the 400-500whp range.

Because that's the type of clientele that this type of intake is designed for. Much like heads that flow 400cfm wouldn't be marketed to people who are still running a stock camshaft and are using 87 octane gas.

I don't think that's it. Not with it designed to fit under a f car cowl. I could see a good cam only car-h/c car benefiting from a intake like this. It should carry rpm better than the current offerings. Solid higher rpm intake offerings are what's really holding back alot of these cars from goin over 500whp.

For purposes of this thread...it is in the forced induction section. And who has as low as 500hp these days ?

There are many intakes that will let users make good power.....whether or not those users choose to use enough rpm's to see that power is another matter.

As much as I like the design of a dual plenum, I just cant see this intake performing miracles in a n/a application compared to what is already out there.