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Old Jun 1, 2018 | 03:53 PM
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I have the Chirs1313 dual 450's which just got the car tuned and for some reason I'm only seeing 39 PSI on the first pump. Anyone have any problems with these pumps? Or have any ideas what i need to look for to fix the problem?
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Is this at idle with a vacuum referenced regulator?
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Is this at idle with a vacuum referenced regulator?
It's set at 43.5 at idle and yes a referenced regulator . It will be at 43.5 and then driver it fuel PSI goes down to 39 and one time seen 32.
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So basically the regulator is doing its job. 43.5 PSI base. You hook a vacuum line to it, and vacuum will pull the fuel pressure down even lower.
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So basically the regulator is doing its job. 43.5 PSI base. You hook a vacuum line to it, and vacuum will pull the fuel pressure down even lower.
Yes vacuum line hooked up.
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Then there is nothing wrong here...
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This might help you understand why...... Fuel Pressure Explained
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This might help you understand why...... Fuel Pressure Explained
Thanks! My tuner out of FLA (Los Vasquez) had me to take it out for a couple of hits last saturday so he could get some DATA on the car and that was one of the problems he pointed out. Fuel PSI falling off during the run?
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Fuel psi falling off during a run is different than lower than base psi at idle. At idle tht psi would be fine. What was the psi at and falling to during a run?
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Fuel psi falling off during a run is different than lower than base psi at idle. At idle tht psi would be fine. What was the psi at and falling to during a run?
Yesterday driving it ..Base at 43.5 getting into it it would drop as low as 39 psi. Come up to a light it would stall but start right back up.
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Take the line off a vac. source, and hook it to an area before the TB. then you will
know if it is pump related or vac related-idle and cruise you have high vac, low fuel pressure,
I never use vac. to a reg. Nascar did, so during a caution, they could keep the plugs cleaner
for the restart.
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Take the line off a vac. source, and hook it to an area before the TB. then you will
know if it is pump related or vac related-idle and cruise you have high vac, low fuel pressure,
I never use vac. to a reg. Nascar did, so during a caution, they could keep the plugs cleaner
for the restart.
Sorry, but I have no idea what any of this means

If he has a vacuum referenced regulator it will lower the pressure when the manifold in under vacuum and raise the pressure when the manifold in under boost.
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With your regulator hooked up to vaccum u should see a 1psi rise per 1pound of boost. So if your base psi is 43psi thin with 15 psi of boost u should see 58psi of fuel pressure.
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With your regulator hooked up to vaccum u should see a 1psi rise per 1pound of boost. So if your base psi is 43psi thin with 15 psi of boost u should see 58psi of fuel pressure.
Thanks that helps! I did find out that i wasn't getting vacuum from where i was hooked into but now i have vacuum.
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Thanks that helps! I did find out that i wasn't getting vacuum from where i was hooked into but now i have vacuum.
Took car out and got into it a little and seen as much as 56 fuel PSI and thats okay because I'm only running 7.5 ILBS of boost right now but I'm a little confused about fuel PSI dealing with EFI! Why wouldn't i crank the base PSI say up to 60 PSI? I''m heading toward higher boost once I get the bugs worked out of the car which I'll need a heck a lot more fuel PSI than i have now which to me means ill need to crank up the base to get that higher fuel PSI. Someone explain to me what I'm not understanding? Thanks Bill
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U can set the base to what ever u choose for it to be. U just have to make sure u have enough pump to support the higher pressure for when in boost. Some pumps dont like tht much pressure and loose flow. U will also gain more injector by going to a higher base pressure.

Most injectors are rated at 43psi so thts were most start off from for base pressure.
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but I'm a little confused about fuel PSI dealing with EFI! Why wouldn't i crank the base PSI say up to 60 PSI? I''m heading toward higher boost once I get the bugs worked out of the car which I'll need a heck a lot more fuel PSI than i have now which to me means ill need to crank up the base to get that higher fuel PSI. Someone explain to me what I'm not understanding? Thanks Bill
I'll try to explain it this way. With a boost referenced regulator fuel pressure will rise and drop at an equal rate as the manifold pressure changes. 1lb of negative pressure "vacuum" in the manifold will pull one pound of fuel pressure and 1lb of positive pressure "Boost Pressure" The fuel pressure will rise 1lb.
So fuel pressure is set without the car running but fuel pump on = base pressure, We'll use 43lbs as an example base pressure.
So with neither vacuum or boost the fuel pressure is 43lbs.
Now you start the car you'll see the fuel pressure drop because you have a vacuum in the intake pulling on a vacuum diaphragm on the regulator that in turn lowers fuel pressure.
Now you step on the throttle and for every pound of boost in the manifold you'll see fuel pressure increase the same amount.
So with a 43lb base pressure setting and 7lbs of boost your fuel pressure should read 50lbs.
Now if you crank up the boost to 15lbs you have the 43lb base pressure and 15lbs of boost so you should have 58lbs of fuel pressure without actually adjusting the pressure yourself.
I hope that makes sense lol.

The only issue you need to worry about is if the fuel pump can keep up with the fuel demands as pressure increases. Fuel pumps are rated at flow x amount at x pressure. Raise the pressure and pump efficiency falls off.

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Originally Posted by LLLosingit
I'll try to explain it this way. With a boost referenced regulator fuel pressure will rise and drop at an equal rate as the manifold pressure changes. 1lb of negative pressure "vacuum" in the manifold will pull one pound of fuel pressure and 1lb of positive pressure "Boost Pressure" The fuel pressure will rise 1lb.
So fuel pressure is set without the car running but fuel pump on = base pressure, We'll use 43lbs as an example base pressure.
So with neither vacuum or boost the fuel pressure is 43lbs.
Now you start the car you'll see the fuel pressure drop because you have a vacuum in the intake pulling on a vacuum diaphragm on the regulator that in turn lowers fuel pressure.
Now you step on the throttle and for every pound of boost in the manifold you'll see fuel pressure increase the same amount.
So with a 43lb base pressure setting and 7lbs of boost your fuel pressure should read 50lbs.
Now if you crank up the boost to 15lbs you have the 43lb base pressure and 15lbs of boost so you should have 58lbs of fuel pressure without actually adjusting the pressure yourself.
I hope that makes sense lol.

The only issue you need to worry about is if the fuel pump can keep up with the fuel demands as pressure increases. Fuel pumps are rated at flow x amount at x pressure. Raise the pressure and pump efficiency falls off.
Thanks for taking the time to explain. Helps a bunch.
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