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S366 ebay clone - anyone run this specific one? Anyone run this "John Deere" S366 off ebay before? Looking to pick some up and test on a 5.3. Hunted around the forced induction forum but wasn't able to find any info on this one in particular. https://www.ebay.com/itm/Set-NEW-Tur...HAi:rk:35:pf:0 |
Notice how none of the images have a clear shot of the exhaust wheel... It's because it looks like a clipped ceiling fan instead of a turbine wheel... That said, it's the same one everyone sells, I'm sure it's "ok". |
Originally Posted by Forcefed86
(Post 20011407)
Notice how none of the images have a clear shot of the exhaust wheel... It's because it looks like a clipped ceiling fan instead of a turbine wheel... That said, it's the same one everyone sells, I'm sure it's "ok". |
Originally Posted by 2005vetteTT
(Post 20011450)
Good catch. Do you think that style turbine will have a large effect on peak power? Just looking for the best bang for buck combo for a 5.3 with a little room to grow. 800+whp. Going to be running an auto so not too worried about spool. |
I’d say the best bang for your buck would be a legit s366. Seems there’s been quite a few guys that run the “ceiling fan” style turbine that Forcefed86 mentioned and end up having issues making power, spoiling, boost or backpressure issues etc. I’d skip it IMO and go with what’s proven. |
Why waste $215 on that, it not work for what you wanting to do when you could have just bought this from the get go? https://turbo4less.com/product/vsr-78-75-96ar-t4/ we all know this turbo works well. |
Originally Posted by 1CAMWNDR
(Post 20011465)
I am pretty sure that turbine is going to choke and back up before 800whp......
Originally Posted by 3 window
(Post 20011480)
I’d say the best bang for your buck would be a legit s366. Seems there’s been quite a few guys that run the “ceiling fan” style turbine that Forcefed86 mentioned and end up having issues making power, spoiling, boost or backpressure issues etc. I’d skip it IMO and go with what’s proven.
Originally Posted by Kfxguy
(Post 20011508)
Why waste $215 on that, it not work for what you wanting to do when you could have just bought this from the get go? https://turbo4less.com/product/vsr-78-75-96ar-t4/ we all know this turbo works well. |
Originally Posted by 2005vetteTT
(Post 20011599)
I probably should have specified I am planning to run twins - sorry about that lol. 73mm of turbine x2 shouldn't back up prior to 800whp, unless those turbines are really that bad? :( gotcha - thank makes sense. i'll probably look into a pair of the real deal or at VS racings 66/73s. Does anyone know if the VS racing 66/73 or 69/73 have this same turbine? Just thought I'd get some opinions - turbos these days you really never know when one of the eBay units might actually be good for the money. I've looked up and down at the VS racing turbo line so I know it well. The 7875 cast wouldn't make my goal, and unlikely the billet would either. I used to run an ON3 7875 (same thing, pretty much) so I get what you're saying though. Good turbo for the money. I just think two would be too much on a 5.3 and one won't make 800+. fair enough. Check out the on3 7678 billet bmf. It’s rated to 1250hp. Just an idea |
lol at the ebay listing title "7 Blaeds US" |
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With the insane luck I've had with Ebay turbos, I'm half tempted to buy a pair of these. They're roughly the same price as V band outlet GT35 clones but will easily make more power. |
Originally Posted by Kfxguy
(Post 20011702)
Originally Posted by JoeNova
(Post 20011714)
With the insane luck I've had with Ebay turbos, I'm half tempted to buy a pair of these. They're roughly the same price as V band outlet GT35 clones but will easily make more power. https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/ls1tech...461278fa6c.jpg |
Why not the VSRacing billet 3582 clones or their 366 clones? And yes, MUCH better as twins!!! |
I don't know any personally, but I've seen several impressive time slips from the VSracing line of S300 chargers. Might just call up Viren at VSR and discuss it with him. Super cool guy. I believe he would honestly tell you if he had any negative feedback. I don't believe the chargers you posted a link to are any different than his or any other cast china S366... Usually all out of the same plant. |
How on earth do they get away with that on ebay ? Not only fraudulently using BW naming and numbers....but then using John Deere too !! |
They don't list it as a BW or JD turbo, only as a replacement for them. |
The picture of the turbo has John Deere cast into the housing |
Looking at my setup, I don't have room for this else I was going to give them a shot. My newest idea is to run these GTX3582R's - some Honda guys are running them making 700+whp. https://www.ebay.com/itm/GTX3582R-Dual-Ball-bearing-Turbo-GTX35R-82-V-Band-Turbo-Anti-Surge-Billet-Wheel/123511284335?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid =p2060353.m2763.l2649 Would two of these on a 5.3 be better than lets say a VS racing 80 or 88 for spool/overall power? The plan will be a 370-408 later on once the 5.3 lets go. |
Originally Posted by Forcefed86
(Post 20011407)
Notice how none of the images have a clear shot of the exhaust wheel... It's because it looks like a clipped ceiling fan instead of a turbine wheel... That said, it's the same one everyone sells, I'm sure it's "ok". |
No, those are small t3 housing 62/62's and the ball bearing thing is a gimmick. U can get the cast journal bearing gt3582s for 160$ shipped. Call up vs racing and grab the 61/65s in a small t4. Or the 67/65s or 70/65s if u want more than 1000ish crank. |
Originally Posted by Forcefed86
(Post 20016240)
No, those are small t3 housing 62/62's and the ball bearing thing is a gimmick. U can get the cast journal bearing gt3582s for 160$ shipped. Call up vs racing and grab the 61/65s in a small t4. Or the 67/65s or 70/75s if u want more than 1000ish crank. i've run a twin set of precision journal SC61's before and didn't mind it - just seemed a little slow to spool. that setup was a T56 though and this one will be a 4L80e so that may not matter. btw - thanks for the feedback Forcefed - i've read all your builds and they are really impressive. your feedback is really why i'm asking here lol. i may just go with the norm VSracing 80 or 88 that everyone runs and be done with it, just wanted to try something new but not worth doing if you think it won't meet my goals. |
That's correct, they run at completely different pressure ratios on the small engines. I have 3582 T3's on my 5.3 with upgraded billet 64mm compressors. The T3 housings are tiny, even for a 5.3 and they light off instantly. I def. wish I would have went with the T4 housings. These are them and they took a $250 offer. And mine had V band outlets. I believe they have the T4 option you can request as well. https://www.ebay.com/itm/Upgraded-GT35-GT3582-GTX3582-Billet-Wheel-Universal-Performance-Turbo-T3-0-63A-R/132248415414?hash=item1eca9eacb6:g:08oAAOSwJxlZjT3 G&vxp=mtr You want the larger exhaust wheels and housings. Esp. since you plan on going to a larger engine down the road. Last I spoke with Viren the 67/65's were $320 And the 61/65's were $250. The 61/65's on a 6.0 have made 980whp or so that I'm aware of...possibly more. |
Originally Posted by Forcefed86
(Post 20016305)
That's correct, they run at completely different pressure ratios on the small engines. I have 3582 T3's on my 5.3 with upgraded billet 64mm compressors. The T3 housings are tiny, even for a 5.3 and they light off instantly. I def. wish I would have went with the T4 housings. These are them and they took a $250 offer. And mine had V band outlets. I believe they have the T4 option you can request as well. https://www.ebay.com/itm/Upgraded-GT...lZjT3G&vxp=mtr You want the larger exhaust wheels and housings. Esp. since you plan on going to a larger engine down the road. Last I spoke with Viren the 67/65's were $320 And the 61/65's were $250. The 61/65's on a 6.0 have made 980whp or so that I'm aware of...possibly more. https://www.ebay.com/itm/CXRacing-T4...frcectupt=true sorry for all the questions - would you run those twin 67/65s over a billet 88? seems like when you include the extra gate and downpipe cost they would run about the same. car is going to be a BMW E90 so package is a concern for the 88, those 67/65s do look pretty small and easy to package |
Yup, likely the same. Would be close, but if setup right i think youd have the edge over the billet s480 with the twin 61s. Shud have less back pressure and you could cam it more aggressivly to make more power per pound. The 61s will be best suited for a typical 5.3 IMO. Each step up in compressor will net u more flow but slow response. Id go 70/65s for a 408. And 61/65s for a 5.3-4.8. 67s would be middle ground and ive never seen a set on an LS yet. Might ask Viren if he has any customers running them. |
Originally Posted by Forcefed86
(Post 20016427)
Yup, likely the same. Would be close, but if setup right i think youd have the edge over the billet s480 with the twin 61s. Shud have less back pressure and you could cam it more aggressivly to make more power per pound. Also a better match for the larger cube future plans. The 61s will be best suited for a typical 5.3 IMO. Each step up in compressor will net u more flow but slow response. Id go 70/65s for a 408. And 61/65s for a 5.3-4.8. 67s would be middle ground and ive never seen a set on an LS yet. Might ask Viren if he has any customers running them. |
Originally Posted by 2005vetteTT
(Post 20016430)
all the advice is much appreciated, thanks again. i'll reach out to VS and see if he has any LS combos running the 67s yet. since they are so cheap i may just 61s as you suggested and upgrade later. https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/ls1tech...e6de130462.jpg |
Man, I was gonna go buy a pair of those "John Deere" turbo's just cuz of the name on them and they are gone, lol. I wanted to slap them on something just so I could say "you just got your ass drug by a couple of tractor turbos!!" lol |
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