Caprice PPV....new project
 

I was looking for a C10 to swap my 2500hd stuff into when I fell into a 2011 Caprice PPV. Clean Kentucky car. Supposed low compression. Car is at a friends shop, I haven't even seen it yet. Need to pick up the engine from the dealer this weekend.

I am hoping the engine is just fine, and has afm issues. If not I have a forged rod piston lc9 5.3 I could put in. I have a built 4l80e that could go in. Either full manual, or do the wiring and add the T42.

I found some underside pics of a ppv and was wondering if I could mount twins low. Also found some pics of an aps twin kit for a g8 that mounts turbos where I was thinking. As far as I know the ppv is a g8 stretched 3.7".

Wanting to make 850whp. Diff is able to be upgraded to camaro stuff. 8.26 vs 8.6? Whatever, I may break stuff.

So either stock L77, or forged rod piston LC9. How much power could vs gt3582's T3's make? The smaller the better for the power goal.

I will update with some pics. Thanks!

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I really like those cars. I was looking at buying a state hwy patrol one from a local auction but I got talked out of it. Apparently parts not shared with the 10-15 camaro or the G8 are hard to get and expensive. They sure as shit drive nice though.

I like those cars too. They seem difficult to find and as Doug said, parts interchange is a bit difficult.

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Got some pics. Still haven't seen it yet.

I went and looked at the car this morning. It is definitely a little rough around the edges. Should clean up ok. Picked up the engine and sold it to a friend/engine builder for some cash and labor to assemble my forged 5.3.

3.80 bore LC9
Forged rods
Wiseco pistons
Stock 243 heads
BTR dual springs
moly pushrods
LS9 gaskets probably?
China studs
Speed inc TU1.5 cam
LS2 intake
ID1700's

I was told to give the stock 6l80e and converter a try, I might be surprised. Will run E85.
Twin VS gt3582's.

Sounds like a nice engine combo!
I would run the ARP head studs instead. Just me though, I know a lot of guys have ran them successfully.

APS no longer makes a kit that I know of. However, AGP makes a good kit for the G8 and Camaro that works well. May need some minor tweaks to the intercooler mounting and plumbing to work on the PPV.

Still on the fence. I have some alper studs in my silverado with no issues at 14 psi. This car will make quite a bit more power hopefully.....

I am not buying a big dollar kit for a beat up cop car. I can make it. I posted the picture of the aps kit because I want to do it similar.

I was stating it because they sell the kit components individually if you look at their site. Like the adapters that bolt to stock manifolds with a turbo and wastegate flange that clear the trans makes for a handy start.

Now that I did not know! I don't see anything for a g8 on the site, but it does look like the camaro adapters work on a g8, and not terribly expensive....Thanks! I emailed agp.

OK thanks again! Do you have any idea if those adapters would work/fit with a 4l80e if I decided to go that route?

I do not know for sure but the 6L80 is a big ass trans and it clears that.

The Huron Speed 5th gen hotside is fairly cheap and fit well if you wanted to do a single turbo. I used that and mocked up my own cold side, easily ran 9's on the little T4 turbo and was about $2500 for everything.

Subscribed, I love how these are becoming more popular to modify. Please keep it stock looking on the outside!

AGP responded quick. The passenger side wastegate needs to be relocated to the turbine housing for an 80e. Not a deal breaker. How would these VS gt3582's do on a 5.3?

Twin 61/62 T3 Special v-band discharge 3″ .82ar

I do have a pair of t4 on3 7065's. Would those fit down there? Or I will look at the huron single kit. I do have a "real" turbo also. Garett t4 billet wheel s480.

Minus the oil scavenging, the agp aps style looks so simple and nothing melting under the hood.

I doubt the T4's will fit, even the 61/62 will be tight but would work well. Yes the oil return routing is a bit of a pain. I use a Weldon oil scavenge pump without issue but I've also used the exa-pump and it worked fine.

Depends on your goals. The single T4 will work well and probably carry you to near 900hp but the twins will be good for well over 1000 as long as the rest of the car can use it.

Are you saying the vs 61/62's would make 1000+? Not that I would be that high, but I would love to use the agp adapters. They are a bargain even at 500. Sucks I have 2 new mvr's and not mvs's though....

I was gonna ask in the other t3 thread but figured I would update this one. The vs 6162's will make north of 800whp??

Shortblock should be done this week and I pulled a LOT of cop wiring out of the car.

I have these springs new in the box. They came with TU1.5 cam that I bought quite a while ago. https://www.speedinc.com/prc-675-eht...pring-kit.html Seem a little much for the tu1.5? I have some slightly used 1218's I could put in also. Which should I use?
The g8 and ppv have identical rear suspension/diff cradles? Wondering about poly bushing kits, and only find g8 and 5th gen camaro stuff.

I am leaning towards the ls9 cam that I have instead of the TU1.5. Input on this cam with a built 5.3, 10.5:1, e85, the twin 6162 turbos, and all the boost? Picking up the shortblock saturday morning!

You pick up the car yet?
Find out if the engine is ok?
Love those Caprice PPV.

Yes, had the car for a while now. Forged LC9 shortblock is done. Haven't picked it up yet. Got the head gaskets today. Have everything else to finish the engine. Gonna get it running NA, and see how the 6l80e is. Then someone can hopefully buy it before I pull it.

Any input on the cams and springs above? And how will the vs 6162's spool on a 5.3? I am kind of spoiled now with the instaspool of the vs7875 and lq4 in my truck.

Putting the engine together and trying to get it in the car this long weekend. The engine has .0028 main clearance, and .0024 rod. The engine was originally DOD. I have a melling 10296 pump. Which spring should I use?

Also, do I leave the oil pressure relief in the pan or plug it? If I leave the high pressure spring in the pump, the relief in the pan will regulate it to 55?

Thanks for the info. I did pick up a short m14x1.5 drain plug and an aluminum washer. I will install it unless I hear otherwise.

Engine is in. Chasing missing bolts to get it running.

Might have some time to work on the car this weekend. I can also get real good deals on Garrett turbos. I have the ls9 cam installed with pac 1218's at least for now. How would real gt3582r's with t3 .82 housings work with this car. 10.5:1 5.3

Gtx3076r gen 2?

I've run the 3076's, works well.

Were you using the gt or newer gtx? The gen 2 gtx has +1mm compressor wheel over the gt, but the horsepower rating went up from 525 to 750. I think the turbine wheel and housing stayed the same. I would like to be 1000rwhp capable on a 5.3.

Regular ole gt's for cheap. Not sure what trans you plan on using but if its the stock auto it'll blow well before you get to 1000.

Yep. I already had a jakes 4l80e in the garage, so I found a guy that makes crossmembers to get them in a g8/ppv. But now I am looking at 6l90's. I am going to get it running na with the stock 6l80 so somebody can see how the trans works, and sell it.

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They are multiplying. First pic is my car before taking parts from the parts car next to it. The other car is pretty nice and "should" just need a dod delete. Second pic is my car mostly back together next to the ltd that will probably get the parts car drivetrain.

After seeing how much the car needs, I am just going to do vs 6162's and my 4l80. At least for now...

I'm going to need more info on that ltd...

Someone has a problem, lol

It's a friend's car. Clean southern car with an aod and 5.0. The shop is his his also. He lets me work on my crap there.

Havent had any time to work on the car. It is very close to running (hopefully) NA. I do have the vs gt3582's and the agp turbo adapters. I was looking on craigslist for a 3.27 camaro diff to upgrade when I found a complete wrecked engineless 2013 ZL1. So now I have a 6l90, complete rear cradle and diff, big brakes, front seats, who knows what else. I thought it was to good to be true, but the guy actually delivered it for a really good deal.
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Nice find.

You will most likely have to cut the spare tire well to put that Camaro cradle in.

These cars are awesome. Here's my 2011 9C3.

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Yeah I know about the spare tire well. Wish mine was a 9c3. And less beat up. Yours looks good.

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If you decide to move on from these Caprice PPV builds I would be interested.

Everything is for sale for the right price! I have not had any time to work on this thing. Hopefully ready for spring at this rate.

I have a friend looking for a set of front fender liners for an 85 LTD LX. Would you happen to have any for sale or know of someone? Thanks.

What area are you in? Klinger's in Pine Grove, PA has a couple cars that could donate some parts. They are standard LTD's, but should have what you need. Plus it's a really cool salvage yard.

Thanks for the tip!!!

Can we call this one "crapice v2.0!?!? I still crack up at that name!

Been a while. Front is converted to all gen5 camaro stuff.

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Sweet. What parts besides rotors and calipers are Camaro parts? What struts are those, and was any work necessary to make them fit? Are those spindles aluminum?

Everything on the front is gen v camaro with the exception of the inner tie rods that are gen IV. I got all my info from here.
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Subscribing

And it finally runs a year after putting the forged lc9 in!

Good deal! I just picked up a 2012 9C1 over the weekend. Keep us updated.

Nice! Post a pic!

Bought a used complete active interchiller off a g8 facebook group. I want to get the turbos mounted this weekend and see what I need for cold side piping. Also see if I can find a spot for the air water intercooler. Oh, I also need to get some aluminum spacer/spring locators made for the front coilovers. If anyone has a metal lathe and wants to make some money, let me know!

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It was a Maryland State Trooper car. I'm still undecided on what all I want to do with it, but maybe some small mods won't hurt right?
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If you didn't know, camaro 3.27/3.45 diffs bolt right in. Chevy SS springs are a direct swap to lower a bit.

Yeah, I'm still trying to catch up on my reading for it. So far, I've done exhaust, intake (cai), and tuned it w/ HP Tuners. I sourced a 3.27 diff local, and want to swap the steel wheels to 18" Camaro wheels, SS springs, cam, etc I'm sure it'll eventually end up turbo also LOL.

Here we go!!! Definitely an addiction issue! Lol

First step is admitting I have a problem LOL

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I'm going to need to stop watching this thread LOL

As small as I thought these turbos were when I took them out of the box, I don't think they will work for me. Talked to agp and ordered these. https://agpturbo.com/agp-turbo-z2-5757b-billet/.

Yeah I know if be busting a turbo open if they were hanging down like that. I really like where they are though.

Got the new turbos. Opened the box and, again, amazed how small they are! Set it next to the vs 6162 that it's replacing and its the same size! Turns out the 5757e's got sent. Called and the correct 5757b's will be here on friday. Take the turbine housings off and send the e's back with a prepaid label. Quick correction by agp.

I will try to get a comparison pic of the turbos I have together. AGP 5757b, AGP 5757e, on3 7065, garrett gt3071r, vs 6162(gt3582), and a garrett t4 s480.

Decided to go air air intercooler. Ordered this yesterday morning and have it today! https://huronspeed.com/product/huron...es-twin-turbo/ Gonna need a saw...

My friend is doing a zl1 blower on his ppv and will probably use the interchiller I bought.

Also deleted the oil cooler to make room for piping.

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Hard to tell from the pic, but the 5757b's obviously provide a bit more ground clearance. The driver side pic has the 90 off the compressor housing super close to the trans but not touching, I dont think. I will clearance the 6l90e in that area when it goes in. Should probably add a section of aluminum to the compressor housing to get the coupler away from the manifold. Going to try to get the intercooler mounted tomorrow.

You'll probably be fine if you're careful. My PPV is lowered a lot in the front, and I have never scraped anything... ever. They have tons of ground clearance, even when lowered.

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Looking good man.

Thanks! I got the pipes tucked tighter since the pic. The swaybar runs into the inner tie rod boot before it hits the pipe, so should be fine. That tan ltd you commented on in post 35 is for sale!

Worked on the driver side piping today and it is more difficult with the steering shaft and power steering lines. I think I have the hard part done. Got the exa pump today. What size oil return lines are required with a scavenge pump? Going to tee them together before the pump. I am going to mount it on the driver frame rail where the coolant reservoir is on the other side.

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Looking good. I've made a few changes to mine:

Man that sounds good. I was about to pull out the ls9 cam and put in a speed inc turbo cam I have. But with the stock zl1 converter and 3.23 gears, I think the ls9 cam will work better.

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Bends are good for airflow, right? Hope to get them welded up this week.

Wow, awesome. I just joined after reading this thread.(belong to Caprice and G8 forums so far for the info) I also have a 2011 PPV and bought an entire ZL1 drive train, from the LSA motor to the 6L90E to the 6 piston Brembos, complete rear cradle/diff, blah blah blah. Blower no turbos, but still very interested in what you are doing since i will eventually be doing much of the same. Curious about the rear cradle, I know spare tire tub clearance with the ZL1 sway bar is one thing, and it raises the car about 3/4" in the rear I 'm told due to thicker mount bushings. Also perhaps 3/8" narrower overall. Brakes I think is close to a direct bolt on. I'm not using coil-overs though. New stock struts with H&R G8 lowering springs.
Luvin' it, keep it up.:usa:

Pipes and routing look a lot like the old UPP kit. AGP merged the compressor outlets under the car and ran one pipe forward, was a little cleaner but both seem to work fine.

Nice! I tried to use the ppv sway on the zl1 cradle and could not get it to work. As you may know, the ppv sway bar routes down around the spare tire well. The camaro goes straight across. Ideally I would remove the whole spare tire well and install a flat aluminum plate. But the bottom of the rear bumper cover is attached to it as well as the rear exhaust heat shields. I will remove the rear bumper screws that tie into the tire well this weekend and see how bad it is. I already lost attachment points for the front bumper cover with the intercooler....

Yeah I have seen all the pictures. I dont know how agp got that 3" pipe out from under the car! 2" is tight. The older upp kit did not go under the control arm. I don't know what is different from the ppv and g8, but I could not have run it like they did. And I don't have to cut up the splash shield plastic piece.

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I am going to put an ls7 maf bung on the 4" pipe. Is the x a good spot for it? The plug would not need extending. And there is a big ding there from shipping. How much straight pipe is needed before the sensor? Is that 5 or 6 inches enough, or do I need honeycomb?

Can't see it in this pic, but I drilled and tapped one of the valve cover bolt bosses for the oil return. AGP uses the lower left one that you can see. I used one over. Then I realized it will be dumping right on the rocker arm. Issue or not?

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I believe that Hellion dumps the oil return into the in oil fill cap on Coyotes.

Yes. But the location I chose would have the drain dumping right on top of a rocker. The location agp uses is next to a rocker. Not sure about other kits. Wondering if I should remake the hose and drill/tap a different boss, or is it no big deal where it's at. Thanks!

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Looking good man. I just ordered my turbo over the weekend.

Nice!!! What turbo????????????

It's just a cheap Next Gen VS 7875. I only want a few pounds of boost.....for now. There is not much space in these cars for activities, I've been looking everything over to figure out how I want to lay things out but it's tight!

How's yours coming? I got mine going, and now working on the tune. These cars are so tight for a turbo(s), I should have done low mount like you:

Nice. I saw this posted somewhere, didn't know it was you. Mine is coming along slowly. Was waiting on some fittings last weekend. So I took my front seats and some g8 seats apart to make something that will work correctly. Hoping to get the zl1 trans in this weekend so I can get the driveshaft measured.

If I were to turbo another one of these it would be mad max style sticking out of the hood.

eeeew, please don't.

After you've worked on these cars a few hours, putting it out the hood doesn't seem like a bad idea.

I have stared at my car so many times from every angle trying to come up with a clean way to plumb a turbo and always end up wanting to leave it NA, lol. Yours looks good, but damn, it's tight. How is plug access? Did you have to dent the shock tower for the turbo?

Yes, it is very tight. I tried several different locations and placement for the turbo, but each new placement provided a new challenge. For plug access on mine, I made the top portion of the dp removable, and funny you mention about the shock tower...I was out there last night adding a little extra clearance. I think an LSA, or low mount twins like the OP's is the way to go on these cars..

My friend whose shop my car is taking up space in put an lsa blower on his 20k mile 2015 PPV. Got finished a hell of a lot faster than mine!!

Finally got the ZL1 trans in. I had the 4l80e crossmember modified and it worked nicely. Also swapped the tcm's. Bad news is dss is 5 weeks out and g force is not even taking orders as they are retooling to go strictly carbon fiber. Are there any other options before I place the order with drive shaft shop??
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Slowly but surely. It just might be finished next weekend. Might. My buddy needs it out of his shop, so that is a motivater.

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