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Old Jan 4, 2021 | 11:57 AM
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The more back pressure, the worse the skew. So different boost levels would also have a different variance. Assuming you knew what the actual readings were WOT you could set up the skew in the sensor table. But it would only read correctly at that boost level, and not at idle/cruise. But assuming you knew the exact numbers, instead of adjusting the sensor, you could just change the target AFR in the MAP in those areas. It would be a little work and makes my head hurt thinking about it... I bet an Excel spread sheet could be made up pretty easily by someone with more experience than myself to tell you what AFT to target based on that table. be a lot more economical than that silly $600 box AEM sells.

I don't see why it wouldn't work if you could keep the sensor alive.

The sensors usually publish the pressure skews. This is the LSU4 bosch


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Originally Posted by stevieturbo
On what vehicle and what widebands were being used ? And what pressure/temperatures were you seeing pre-turbo ?.

Can't say I've seen many test two widebands before and after the turbo....simply as almost nobody does because of the known issues. Would be good to see actual data ?
Even those testing...or at least testing and making it public about individual cylinder widebands on a turbo application seem non existent. I did post to RH to do it but it fell on deaf ears. Hell...I even asked a few times for it on even a supercharged application, to no avail. And that'd be an easy test.

Although you would expect each individual runner to read differently than a single collector post turbo anyway. Would be great to see a few tests, both with long runner turbo setups and log manifold setups.
It was a boosted LS1 (383 in sig). We didn't monitor pressure and temp, we simply had widebands pre/post turbo. It's pretty typical from dyno's I've seen. There is 1 in the downpipe that typically runs to the cabin WBO2 gauge and then the dyno operator put 1 in the "crossover" that feeds the turbo after the 2 banks merge. That one is logged by the dyno SW and graphed as part of the hp/tq curves. When compared they were only a couple tenths aparts on the dyno runs. Unfortunately I didn't save any of the data.
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Originally Posted by Forcefed86
The more back pressure, the worse the skew. So different boost levels would also have a different variance. Assuming you knew what the actual readings were WOT you could set up the skew in the sensor table. But it would only read correctly at that boost level, and not at idle/cruise. The sensors usually publish the pressure skews. This is the lsu4 bosch

You just showed exactly what I was getting at. It wouldn't be accurate at idle, which you said you dont care, and it would be accurate for a fixed boosted. So you have a way to get there for a set boost level if you wanted to.
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Assuming I knew how to modify the AFR table correctly to match that sensor I'd be set... buuuut I don't. And it makes me go a littel cross eyed thinking about it. I'd also need to get use to the "altered" AFR numbers the WB02 displays and memorize what was correct. Would drive me a bit mad I'm thinking. At first anyway. This is one of those things I'd like to see someone with more time than myself iron out fully... I wish I had the time to dig into it.
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Originally Posted by Forcefed86
Assuming I knew how to modify the AFR table correctly to match that sensor I'd be set... buuuut I don't. And it makes me go a littel cross eyed thinking about it. I'd also need to get use to the "altered" AFR numbers the WB02 displays and memorize what was correct. Would drive me a bit mad I'm thinking. At first anyway. This is one of those things I'd like to see someone with more time than myself iron out fully... I wish I had the time to dig into it.
Come on now, all that fabricating and stuff you come up with and they don't have a custom PID you can create to do it? If EFI Live and HPT can do it I know you can figure it out!
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Old Jan 4, 2021 | 12:57 PM
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i guess maybe it was the heat, but my o2 failed in less than 1000 miles. brand new terminator x.
it seems to read correctly where it is, i think its about 12" from the end of the downpipe.


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The 4.9 are very sensitive to shock. Definitely one of the downfalls of the terminator vs the hp and dom
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does that include really aggressive 2 stepping/anti lag?
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​​​​​​What most due to combat this is push the O2 sensor operation back until the exhaust is to temp but on the holley we can't do that so
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Do you need the wideband all the time or just for tuning? Just thinking if it’s for tuning you could run a longer section with the sensor built in. The. Once you are happy / it’s safe you can run the shorter pipes?

Looking at the chassis / car could you not make some AC cobra style down pipes that extend back? Might look pretty cool!
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