Incon: Patrick gone, company on shaky ground. From the Incon mailing list: [quote]Dave, I just got home and got this e-mail. I really don't know what to say other than 4 days notice is not quite fair. I have stressed to you many times that I would need at least two weeks notice if something were to happen. I have three small children and a wife to support. My wife does not work and I am the only provider. I have faithfully worked for you for over two years now and I know that if I was the one to leave I would have given you more than 4 days notice. We live paycheck to paycheck so that my wife can stay home and raise our children because we both feel that it is important that parents raise their own kids. I know that unemployment takes at least two weeks to kick in and if I get $150.00 a week I'll be lucky. Is there anyway that I can work at least two more weeks, at least until the end of the month? That would give me time to prepare my resume and start things moving towards another position. The job market is very poor right now because of the economy and Sept. 11th. If I can't stay until the end of the month can I get my vacation pay? I have 19 days of vacation that I never took or about $1,600.00 You have to understand that I'm scared right now. I have alot of pressure on me to provide for my family. You have given me no time to look for another job so that I may support my family. Please let me know something tonight. Patrick<hr></blockquote> [quote]Dave, Tom says that he has faxed you several times and that you are ignoring his faxes. We need to know what is going on with the company, If it is going to continue or not? It will not be too much longer until the landlord figures out that Tommy has been stalling and we come to work and the doors are locked. It is really important that you communicate with me. I have a new little one now and I really don't like not knowing what is happening with Incon. I can't say this would be the best timing for this since Val and I just had our third son and I'm behind two paychecks. I just would like to know from you what the plans are for Incon. If it does come down to Incon shutting the doors when do you think this might happen? I would like to get the customers who have paid in full, at least the parts that we do have on hand. If the customers who have box 1 and 2 had manifolds and hardware they could at least buy some t-04's or something and have a kit. If they never see the manifolds then what they do have is completely useless. What do you think of that idea? I know Tommy is very bitter and wouldn't attempt that last extra step. Anyway, If you could please let me know something asap. I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks, Patrick <hr></blockquote> Looks like Dave's little bizness is going down the drain... Too bad for the customers who'll probably never see their parts. And really sh!tty for Patrick and Tom. <img src="gr_sad.gif" border="0"> [ February 28, 2002: Message edited by: cASe SenSiTive ] [ March 01, 2002: Message edited by: cASe SenSiTive ]</p> |
Re: Incon: Patrick gone, company on shaky ground. sounds unfortunate <img src="gr_sad.gif" border="0"> ...and not good timing either. Incon makes great products, unfortunately for some reason, (legit supply problems, or whatever?) this is something many have predicted happening. To anybody in longwood...do you have a pair of LS1 and/or 5.0 manifolds you can sell me before you close? (no shipping woudl be necessary, i am local) Ryan. [ March 01, 2002: Message edited by: slow ]</p> |
Re: Incon: Patrick gone, company on shaky ground. Glad I sold my deposit a looooong time ago. <img src="gr_eek2.gif" border="0"> |
Re: Incon: Patrick gone, company on shaky ground. Wow, that's some bad news for some people. <img src="gr_sad.gif" border="0"> |
Re: Incon: Patrick gone, company on shaky ground. <img src="graemlins/gr_guns.gif" border="0" alt="[guns]" /> <img src="graemlins/gr_guns.gif" border="0" alt="[guns]" /> <img src="graemlins/gr_guns.gif" border="0" alt="[guns]" /> I hate to see dave take everyone down with him. I personally have had many a conversation with tom and patrick, and it always seems they are trying to make up for Dave's short comings. And now this. I knew things were a muck in turbo land, but it's obviously worse than I thought. It sucks for all involved <img src="gr_images/icons/mad.gif" border="0"> |
Re: Incon: Patrick gone, company on shaky ground. Wow, Patrick was only making $10.50/hr and was supporting his wife and children on that? I give that guy props, and wish I owned my own business. I'd give that guy a job in a heartbeat, AND a nice raise... I hope everything works out for those guys.... |
Re: Incon: Patrick gone, company on shaky ground. So do customers get their deposits back? Or is it like Hennessey where you send $X-thousand and never see any results? |
Re: Incon: Patrick gone, company on shaky ground. [quote]Originally posted by Jake99SS: <strong>So do customers get their deposits back? Or is it like Hennessey where you send $X-thousand and never see any results?</strong><hr></blockquote> That deposit money is long gone! <img src="gr_images/icons/mad.gif" border="0"> |
Re: Incon: Patrick gone, company on shaky ground. Moderators, let's leave this up and see what happens. I think this goes beyond Incon taking forever to get stuff done. This looks like Incon is going out of business. [ March 01, 2002: Message edited by: Pro Stock John ]</p> |
Re: Incon: Patrick gone, company on shaky ground. Someone needs to contact Patrick and Tom and tell them to collect as many parts as possible. If they are being let go with such short notice, the will need something to cushion the transition from jbo to job, and there's nothing like selling parts from a company that screwed you over on ebay... |
Re: Incon: Patrick gone, company on shaky ground. [quote]Originally posted by chollowayss: <strong>...there's nothing like selling parts from a company that screwed you over on ebay...</strong><hr></blockquote> Yeah but I think all of those parts are paid for by customers that aren't ever gonna see their whole kit, might as well send out what they do have. |
Re: Incon: Patrick gone, company on shaky ground. I talked to Tom today. As far as the issue with Patrick, Incon, etc. there will always be friction there and in the end things suck for Patrick losing his job anyway you look at it. Tom says Incon has a plan to remain in business and success of that plan requires delivery of the LS1 kits. I'm just the messenger...I've talked to Dave alot, also to Tom, and to Patrick on a few occasions. I think they are all personally great guys, business sense is another matter. Dave does seem to be dodging things on the list as far as the business side goes. I have no idea what will really happen, I just hope to see everyone get their stuff, get their money and in the end be happy with the product. Is it too late for that? Who knows, its upto those who are still owed parts, they have to decide to either work it out with Incon, or take legal action. Those are the choices, the day of reckoning has come it seems, it needs to go one way or the other. Is there any trust left to deliver the product, who knows. Tom has not decided if he is going to address this publicly when I talked to him but he is answering the phone and was pretty honest with a few of the questions I asked him refering to the business and money situation at Incon. So, if they owe you money, or a kit I would call Tom, talk to him, then decide how you are going to handle it. |
Re: Incon: Patrick gone, company on shaky ground. My guess is that Incon doesn't have the money to purchase the needed turbos from Garrett. Kinda hard to deliver them when you can't pay for them. I'm betting that he's been stalling everybody with this BS about a "backorder", while he scrambles around trying to find a bank that will take a risk and give him a business loan. I haven't heard anything about Lingenfelter having troubles getting turbos for his kits. And IIRC, they're the same friggin' turbos that Dave has been claiming are unavailable for over a year! <img src="graemlins/gr_bs.gif" border="0" alt="[bullshit]" /> Dave Inall: Putting the "con" in Incon. <img src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" border="0"> |
Re: Incon: Patrick gone, company on shaky ground. http://www.ls1.com/forums/showthread...threadid=53424 It is going on there too. Talk about a PRICK! (And I am not only referring to Dave either.) <img src="gr_images/icons/mad.gif" border="0"> |
Re: Incon: Patrick gone, company on shaky ground. Tom, I asked the LPE question and they are no longer working with LPE. Its not a supply issue, it is a money issue, and your right they do not have it but are trying to get it. |
Re: Incon: Patrick gone, company on shaky ground. Hey if the Incon LS1 and Mustang folks want to continue some of those discussions they can use this section as long as they use good language. |
Re: Incon: Patrick gone, company on shaky ground. I talked with Tom today, I will be getting the rest of my stage II kit, minus chra shipped next week. He did say that they are trying to get things worked out. But I figure if they do go under at least I will only need the CHRAs. Second I work for Honeywell which owns Garrett. They did have a backorder for about 6 month time, there is only a trickle of turbos at this time. So if you can get the turbos they are really expensive, so you have to buy a large number to get a price break. I can get gtbb35s but they are $1400 a piece or more, which is outrageous. No I am not defending them just stating what I know, yes this is terrible situation and probably will not get better any time soon if at all. Gary [ March 01, 2002: Message edited by: red ws6 99 ]</p> |
Re: Incon: Patrick gone, company on shaky ground. [quote]Originally posted by Chris ARE 360: <strong>http://www.ls1.com/forums/showthread...threadid=53424 It is going on there too. Talk about a PRICK! (And I am not only referring to Dave either.) <img src="gr_images/icons/mad.gif" border="0"> </strong><hr></blockquote> I'll second that. I think Brad should tell him to take a vacation from the site.(A PERMANENT one for that <img src="graemlins/gr_bs.gif" border="0" alt="[bullshit]" /> ) <img src="gr_images/icons/mad.gif" border="0"> [ March 01, 2002: Message edited by: XLR8NSS ]</p> |
Re: Incon: Patrick gone, company on shaky ground. Case Sensitive, maybe you can go in and edit the header to something more factual like "Incon let's Patrick go and future is shaky" Is that to nice? <img src="gr_stretch.gif" border="0"> |
Re: Incon: Patrick gone, company on shaky ground. Whatever the outcome I think I just made my final post on LS1.COM. <img src="gr_grin.gif" border="0"> |
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