big power with e85 and no intercooler?
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u sure it could see a gain of 200-400 rwhp- if a intercooler was added-i thought maybe 50-100 hp
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As the C5 guy mention, water injection will be your friend. Coolingmist and Devil's Own are just a few that I know others have used in turbo applications. I know Devil's Own has a website and also fabs direct port setups which may yield better results. Good luck
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That is the main problem, heat is the enemy! Other that water there's not a lot of options. The only other one i know of ( that wont be real popular on this forum ) is a blow threw carb. There were three guys in the contest ( two blower cars and one twin turbo) running no coolers and there IAT's down near ambient on the dyno. The problem with blow threw carbs is there only good at the track or the dyno, no part throttle or they will lean out. Still very cool to see and a good option for race cars. Im not planning on running an cooler and should have the car back together in the early spring i'll be sure to post how it works out.
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tuning guys over here want E85 to come mainstream. we dont have to pay the same 65% tax like we do on gas!
thanks Chris.
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Spend $200 and intercool it. I seriously don't get the point Parish. You have way too much knowledge not to.
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as it sits now e85 and no intercooler doesnt look like the best way to go. from what i am reading it looks like e85 is a good replacement for race fuel but not an intercooler.
i know for a fact meth and no intercooler is good for CRAZY horse power. looks like the two options for us right now would be intercooled with e85 or non intercooled with meth as our main fuel. i have always wanted to try a duel fuel set up(gas/meth) with no intercooler but if we can fit intercooler/s on the car we might just go with that.
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I see some different thoughts on this subject, all very interesting.
My thoughts of using methanol have run towards engines above 1800hp, so the intercooler system required is expensive and hard to package. It also adds serious weight to the car and flow restriction. This will not be a common system I don't think, but it will be a lightweight functional system when its all worked out. I have run 2700hp on our dyno with no intercooler, and the engine went on to run a best of 6.17@244 so far without issue. Makes me ponder a nice light dual fuel street car..........hmmmmmm
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My thoughts of using methanol have run towards engines above 1800hp, so the intercooler system required is expensive and hard to package. It also adds serious weight to the car and flow restriction. This will not be a common system I don't think, but it will be a lightweight functional system when its all worked out. I have run 2700hp on our dyno with no intercooler, and the engine went on to run a best of 6.17@244 so far without issue. Makes me ponder a nice light dual fuel street car..........hmmmmmm
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Pressure drop? Try taking the boost reference off of the manifold. Weight? Try 30ish pounds on a 1000 hp car....BFD (not to mention the HP increase will negate more than the weight). Pipes to blow? Buy good silicone and T-clamps. Cutting of the car....its behind the front fascia/bumper.....BFD. Stealth? Paint the intercooler black.
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Spend $200 and intercool it. I seriously don't get the point Parish. You have way too much knowledge not to.
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Spend $200 and intercool it. I seriously don't get the point Parish. You have way too much knowledge not to.
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painting it black is not a good idea, less cooling effect. i already have the fmic so im gonna stick with it. its an interesting thought still. pressure from one side of the intercooler to the next and typically they are a minor restriction. i have seen plenty of people blow intercooler pipes with t clamps and good silicone. every lbs hurts in more than just et. im a six speed cat and would like to try and keep it together. im stick with the intercooler though. straight meth drag and i would not but as hard as i drive my **** ill keep one
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I see some different thoughts on this subject, all very interesting.
My thoughts of using methanol have run towards engines above 1800hp, so the intercooler system required is expensive and hard to package. It also adds serious weight to the car and flow restriction. This will not be a common system I don't think, but it will be a lightweight functional system when its all worked out. I have run 2700hp on our dyno with no intercooler, and the engine went on to run a best of 6.17@244 so far without issue. Makes me ponder a nice light dual fuel street car..........hmmmmmm
Kurt
My thoughts of using methanol have run towards engines above 1800hp, so the intercooler system required is expensive and hard to package. It also adds serious weight to the car and flow restriction. This will not be a common system I don't think, but it will be a lightweight functional system when its all worked out. I have run 2700hp on our dyno with no intercooler, and the engine went on to run a best of 6.17@244 so far without issue. Makes me ponder a nice light dual fuel street car..........hmmmmmm
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You can run safer in a street car with an intercooler, so thats what Ill do, but I definately see the advantages of no intercooler in race cars that dont need to make it home. Besides someday maybe e85 will be allowed at the pump gas drags.
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I see some different thoughts on this subject, all very interesting.
My thoughts of using methanol have run towards engines above 1800hp, so the intercooler system required is expensive and hard to package. It also adds serious weight to the car and flow restriction. This will not be a common system I don't think, but it will be a lightweight functional system when its all worked out. I have run 2700hp on our dyno with no intercooler, and the engine went on to run a best of 6.17@244 so far without issue. Makes me ponder a nice light dual fuel street car..........hmmmmmm
Kurt
My thoughts of using methanol have run towards engines above 1800hp, so the intercooler system required is expensive and hard to package. It also adds serious weight to the car and flow restriction. This will not be a common system I don't think, but it will be a lightweight functional system when its all worked out. I have run 2700hp on our dyno with no intercooler, and the engine went on to run a best of 6.17@244 so far without issue. Makes me ponder a nice light dual fuel street car..........hmmmmmm
Kurt
also would you have to as 'on demand' fueling?? so until you went WOT at higher boost setting then the 91 octane would be used?? i think a tank of good stuff could last alot longer then.
thanks Chirs.
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A ECU that would switch for secondary fuel would be cool! The Nova we have is 93 octane in the primary tank with c16 in the secondary tank. It runs 65% C16 at full throttle and 10 gallons of C16 will last over two weeks even with a trip to the dragstrip. I would like to switch that type of car to Methanol as the secondary fuel with higher percentage like 90% methanol at wot so I could dump the intercooler weight. The E85 testing I have done has been very little, but the intercooler effect was not as good as Methanol.
1320, I remember our conversation about dual fuels! Can't wait to see practical use to see how well it does.
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1320, I remember our conversation about dual fuels! Can't wait to see practical use to see how well it does.
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time to design and build a 'complete fuel system' where you can spec what two fuels you are running. main fuel say 91 octane and then c16,meth,e85,vp import, etc for the second. then if you could build an ECU that could swap maps for the second fuel it would be even better!
also would you have to as 'on demand' fueling?? so until you went WOT at higher boost setting then the 91 octane would be used?? i think a tank of good stuff could last alot longer then.
thanks Chirs.
also would you have to as 'on demand' fueling?? so until you went WOT at higher boost setting then the 91 octane would be used?? i think a tank of good stuff could last alot longer then.
thanks Chirs.
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Kurt, I ran across a tid bit about the bs3. You choose your fuel in setup? And that changes the ve table?So You have to choose gas even if you split fuel types, then would have to convert the gas ve table numbers yourself for meth? Was this good true info, why , or how does ve table change on set up based on fuel type?
O n another note, what about e85 on the primary and meth on the secondary? Do you use the alchohol choice in set up for e85?
O n another note, what about e85 on the primary and meth on the secondary? Do you use the alchohol choice in set up for e85?
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We did 1054 uncorrected rwhp here in Colorado this past year on e-85. Engine is a ford 381, out of the box AFR225's with a 88mm turbo. We did use an Ebay A/A intercooler behind the bumper with absolutely no air flow. We used a classic FAST with one set of injectors, we also used a Snow meth kit, because we were running out of injector. First trip to the track netted an 8.54 @ 160mph, too much gear. Second trip to the track netted 8.58 @ 168mph, e-85, a/a, meth injection, 3050 pound car. Next year the intercooler is coming off, no need to carry the extra weight, plus we get a weight break in the class we run for not having an intercooler.