12.6s Stock!
11-15-2009, 06:23 PM
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Great times. Kind of strange but I think those times are around what most of us expected with the LS3. I think it's kind of like why the hell aren't more running these times stock? IMO. Congrats on getting yours to go faster stock than anyone elses. I ran 13.49 @102+ in my TBSS stock and backed it up at least 5 more times that day, so i know the feeling. You should share your tips with the rest so you have some competition lol.
11-15-2009, 06:53 PM
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Great times. Kind of strange but I think those times are around what most of us expected with the LS3. I think it's kind of like why the hell aren't more running these times stock? IMO. Congrats on getting yours to go faster stock than anyone elses. I ran 13.49 @102+ in my TBSS stock and backed it up at least 5 more times that day, so i know the feeling. You should share your tips with the rest so you have some competition lol.
11-15-2009, 09:11 PM
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Not to nitpick, but he had a K&N drop in filter. If you were going for a "bone stock" record, why not keep the paper filter so there's no question about it?
11-16-2009, 12:01 PM
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11-16-2009, 05:59 PM
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I don’t see how changing an air filter is a mod. Its a regular maintenance item just as putting synthetic oil would not be consider a mod. If you had a bone stock car and took the air filter out at the track would that be consider a mod?
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The DA was in the 1200-1300s if I remember right.
If you want to be a **** and call his times BS then you drastically reduce the amount of people who can compete for the bone stock record. If royal purple oil is a mod then almost no one who races will be "bone stock" and all of the bone stock times won't be that great due to less competition.
Car ran a 12.6 at over 110 with MAYBE 10 flywheel hp over stock, still great times if you ask me.
If you want to be a **** and call his times BS then you drastically reduce the amount of people who can compete for the bone stock record. If royal purple oil is a mod then almost no one who races will be "bone stock" and all of the bone stock times won't be that great due to less competition.
Car ran a 12.6 at over 110 with MAYBE 10 flywheel hp over stock, still great times if you ask me.
11-16-2009, 07:42 PM
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The DA was in the 1200-1300s if I remember right.
If you want to be a **** and call his times BS then you drastically reduce the amount of people who can compete for the bone stock record. If royal purple oil is a mod then almost no one who races will be "bone stock" and all of the bone stock times won't be that great due to less competition.
Car ran a 12.6 at over 110 with MAYBE 10 flywheel hp over stock, still great times if you ask me.
If you want to be a **** and call his times BS then you drastically reduce the amount of people who can compete for the bone stock record. If royal purple oil is a mod then almost no one who races will be "bone stock" and all of the bone stock times won't be that great due to less competition.
Car ran a 12.6 at over 110 with MAYBE 10 flywheel hp over stock, still great times if you ask me.
It seems this happens a lot... someone says they broke the stock record or ran a time stock then after some questions you find out it has some weight pulled or a different filter..... when the LS1 cars first came out it was hard to find guys racing their cars as they came from the dealer..... nothing changed or removed.
11-16-2009, 08:51 PM
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heres the DA and the correction-
Density Altitude:1395 feet above sea level
1/4 mile ET:12.621 seconds
1/4 mile trap speed:110.30 MPH
Stock and Mildly Modified Naturally Aspirated Engines
12.43 @ 112.024 MPH
Extensively Modified Naturally Aspirated Engines
12.526 @ 111.287 MPH
Extensively Modified Supercharged and Turbocharged Engines
12.565 @ 110.804 MPH
Density Altitude:1395 feet above sea level
1/4 mile ET:12.621 seconds
1/4 mile trap speed:110.30 MPH
Stock and Mildly Modified Naturally Aspirated Engines
12.43 @ 112.024 MPH
Extensively Modified Naturally Aspirated Engines
12.526 @ 111.287 MPH
Extensively Modified Supercharged and Turbocharged Engines
12.565 @ 110.804 MPH
11-16-2009, 09:40 PM
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A K&N Filter is not a gain.
I ran my LS1 at East Side Performance's dyno with a dirty *** K&N filter, made 408whp (Basic heads/cams) and made 411 with NO air filter. I could dig out the dyno sheets somewhere..
Its not a mod, its a filter. In stock class competition in all venues of the SCCA, which allows NO modifications to the engine, allows any filter because it doesn't make a difference.
His car is still 100% stock.
I ran my LS1 at East Side Performance's dyno with a dirty *** K&N filter, made 408whp (Basic heads/cams) and made 411 with NO air filter. I could dig out the dyno sheets somewhere..
Its not a mod, its a filter. In stock class competition in all venues of the SCCA, which allows NO modifications to the engine, allows any filter because it doesn't make a difference.
His car is still 100% stock.
11-16-2009, 11:16 PM
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A K&N Filter is not a gain.
I ran my LS1 at East Side Performance's dyno with a dirty *** K&N filter, made 408whp (Basic heads/cams) and made 411 with NO air filter. I could dig out the dyno sheets somewhere..
Its not a mod, its a filter. In stock class competition in all venues of the SCCA, which allows NO modifications to the engine, allows any filter because it doesn't make a difference.
His car is still 100% stock.
I ran my LS1 at East Side Performance's dyno with a dirty *** K&N filter, made 408whp (Basic heads/cams) and made 411 with NO air filter. I could dig out the dyno sheets somewhere..
Its not a mod, its a filter. In stock class competition in all venues of the SCCA, which allows NO modifications to the engine, allows any filter because it doesn't make a difference.
His car is still 100% stock.
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11-17-2009, 10:39 AM
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It shouldnt count as stock.
Just think about it this way.
The year is 2011 and the new 400hp Mustang GT is running some good times. Someone has just ran a 12.5 with their 2011 GT beating out the 2011 camaros best time of 12.6. The car was stock...it had a K&N filter and he also changed his fluids to royal purple.
What do you think the camaro fan base would have to say about this?
It wouldnt stand for even one second.
Cmon now guys. It is a solid impressive run. But regardless of the variables it can not be considered stock.
Just think about it this way.
The year is 2011 and the new 400hp Mustang GT is running some good times. Someone has just ran a 12.5 with their 2011 GT beating out the 2011 camaros best time of 12.6. The car was stock...it had a K&N filter and he also changed his fluids to royal purple.
What do you think the camaro fan base would have to say about this?
It wouldnt stand for even one second.
Cmon now guys. It is a solid impressive run. But regardless of the variables it can not be considered stock.
11-17-2009, 03:19 PM
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It shouldnt count as stock.
Just think about it this way.
The year is 2011 and the new 400hp Mustang GT is running some good times. Someone has just ran a 12.5 with their 2011 GT beating out the 2011 camaros best time of 12.6. The car was stock...it had a K&N filter and he also changed his fluids to royal purple.
What do you think the camaro fan base would have to say about this?
It wouldnt stand for even one second.
Cmon now guys. It is a solid impressive run. But regardless of the variables it can not be considered stock.
Just think about it this way.
The year is 2011 and the new 400hp Mustang GT is running some good times. Someone has just ran a 12.5 with their 2011 GT beating out the 2011 camaros best time of 12.6. The car was stock...it had a K&N filter and he also changed his fluids to royal purple.
What do you think the camaro fan base would have to say about this?
It wouldnt stand for even one second.
Cmon now guys. It is a solid impressive run. But regardless of the variables it can not be considered stock.
Agreed. I can't count all the "stock" threads on here that have been posted and it was pages of people saying a mustang OR Camaro should not be counted becasuse of the filter........... when the LS1 first came out it seemed like there was a thread on this every day......
By definition a mod is something done to a car that is aftermarket.... in other words not a factory installed part or option. GM is NOT putting K&N and RP into cars from the factory...............
If this was on a Mustang though this thread would have exploded.
Yeah most stock allow them but with everyone saying they don't do anything then why run them at all or even allow them? Stock classes are there to keep costs down.......... a $50 or whatever filter is just an added cost if it does not work or do much.........
With the 98 cars when they came out everyone on this site did not count their stock times unless they were as stock as they were off the show room floor................... things change I guess.......
11-17-2009, 08:45 PM
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Agreed. I can't count all the "stock" threads on here that have been posted and it was pages of people saying a mustang OR Camaro should not be counted becasuse of the filter........... when the LS1 first came out it seemed like there was a thread on this every day......
By definition a mod is something done to a car that is aftermarket.... in other words not a factory installed part or option. GM is NOT putting K&N and RP into cars from the factory...............
If this was on a Mustang though this thread would have exploded.
Yeah most stock allow them but with everyone saying they don't do anything then why run them at all or even allow them? Stock classes are there to keep costs down.......... a $50 or whatever filter is just an added cost if it does not work or do much.........
With the 98 cars when they came out everyone on this site did not count their stock times unless they were as stock as they were off the show room floor................... things change I guess.......
By definition a mod is something done to a car that is aftermarket.... in other words not a factory installed part or option. GM is NOT putting K&N and RP into cars from the factory...............
If this was on a Mustang though this thread would have exploded.
Yeah most stock allow them but with everyone saying they don't do anything then why run them at all or even allow them? Stock classes are there to keep costs down.......... a $50 or whatever filter is just an added cost if it does not work or do much.........
With the 98 cars when they came out everyone on this site did not count their stock times unless they were as stock as they were off the show room floor................... things change I guess.......
Still, if I put RP and a filter in my car and it no longer is called 'stock', to me personally, that's ridiculous. its 'enhanced'.. or something, but its definitely stock. I ran a 13.181@107.9 in my Z28 when it was 'stock'. ironically, it had a Napa Gold filter.. not a K&N.. but its not an AC Delco. Does that mean it wasn't stock?
If I had a 2010 Camaro that ran a 12.6 and I was beat by a 2011 Mustang that ran a 12.5 and he had a K&N filter, I would never complain about the fact that he had a filter..
...annnnndd back on topic... (sorry OP)
Congrats on the time. You have a sweet new ride! As soon as my Evo is paid for (SOO CLOSE) I may just go get myself another Camaro. I miss my 02 Z28!