well. 13.0@111mph not to shabby...
03-23-2009, 03:43 PM
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you don't think they spent the last 7-8 years just designing the camaro, do you? Designing a car starts years before it's released. Gm started work back in 2005, and has made serious changes since then.
Can you find another 30k (1ss, almost no options) car that can trap at 111 mph with a **** driver? The ss is a great car. People complain about it's weight a bit too much. Sure, it weighs around 3900lbs. Who cares? The m3 weighs just as much! It's not the weight of the car that makes the car - it's the engineering. The engine, the tranny, and the independent suspension.
Compare the brand new gt to the ss, and the ss blows away the stang in just about every category. Hell, the cost is almost identical, too. Compare it to the over priced challenger, and you get the same result.
Can you find another 30k (1ss, almost no options) car that can trap at 111 mph with a **** driver? The ss is a great car. People complain about it's weight a bit too much. Sure, it weighs around 3900lbs. Who cares? The m3 weighs just as much! It's not the weight of the car that makes the car - it's the engineering. The engine, the tranny, and the independent suspension.
Compare the brand new gt to the ss, and the ss blows away the stang in just about every category. Hell, the cost is almost identical, too. Compare it to the over priced challenger, and you get the same result.
03-23-2009, 04:04 PM
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I agree it should be lighter, but the thing has 21" rims on it, IRS, 6 freaking air bags, a larger engine than ours, and some king kong sized brakes. All that crap adds up, and the fact that you get all that and can still pull a 13 in the 1/4 is pretty damn impressive in my book.
Airbags and IRS are worth a weight increase, no doubt.
The LT1 had an IRON BLOCK and we all know the LSx egines are around 430lbs, so the LSx engine is NOT the issue.
Who the hell NEEDS 20" rims???? 275/40/17 around good brakes gets the job done just fine. Sell the ghetto rims as an OPTION or as a dealer installed accessory.
Someone PLEASE explain to me why my 1995 CONVERTIBLE weighed 3,666lbs and the new HARDTOP Camaro weighs almost 3,900lbs ??????
The LT1 had an IRON BLOCK and we all know the LSx egines are around 430lbs, so the LSx engine is NOT the issue.
Who the hell NEEDS 20" rims???? 275/40/17 around good brakes gets the job done just fine. Sell the ghetto rims as an OPTION or as a dealer installed accessory.
Someone PLEASE explain to me why my 1995 CONVERTIBLE weighed 3,666lbs and the new HARDTOP Camaro weighs almost 3,900lbs ??????
03-23-2009, 08:50 PM
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The question is why is the Mustang in there? Oh thats right because there slow and have to be comapred to a 4 banger...
03-24-2009, 09:07 AM
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I completely understand why people would want a Pontiac G8. The G8 offers the utility and stealth of a sedan, with muscle car acceleration and M5 handling.
But, I can't believe people are willing to buy a 3,900 pound car pretending to be a "sports coupe" just because it has a Camaro badge.
Beautiful car. Ridiculous curb weight.
03-24-2009, 09:23 AM
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That is the reason the ONLY way I would own a ZETA platform is if it was underneath a LARGE SPORTS SEDAN.
I completely understand why people would want a Pontiac G8. The G8 offers the utility and stealth of a sedan, with muscle car acceleration and M5 handling.
But, I can't believe people are willing to buy a 3,900 pound car pretending to be a "sports coupe" just because it has a Camaro badge.
Beautiful car. Ridiculous curb weight.
I completely understand why people would want a Pontiac G8. The G8 offers the utility and stealth of a sedan, with muscle car acceleration and M5 handling.
But, I can't believe people are willing to buy a 3,900 pound car pretending to be a "sports coupe" just because it has a Camaro badge.
Beautiful car. Ridiculous curb weight.
03-24-2009, 09:55 AM
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Sorry brother, I stand my statements.
I like the 4 door Holdens, and I might buy a G8. 3,900 is acceptable for a SEDAN.
But, calling a 3,900 pound car a "sports coupe" or "muscle car" is a joke. Hardtop 1968 Camaro SS owners have weighed in around 3,200lbs and 4th Gen hardtops are around 3,300lbs. My CONVERTIBLE 4th Gen Fbody weighed 3,666lbs at the track.
3,900lbs for a hardtop coupe in 2010 is TOO HEAVY.
I like the 4 door Holdens, and I might buy a G8. 3,900 is acceptable for a SEDAN.
But, calling a 3,900 pound car a "sports coupe" or "muscle car" is a joke. Hardtop 1968 Camaro SS owners have weighed in around 3,200lbs and 4th Gen hardtops are around 3,300lbs. My CONVERTIBLE 4th Gen Fbody weighed 3,666lbs at the track.
3,900lbs for a hardtop coupe in 2010 is TOO HEAVY.
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That is the reason the ONLY way I would own a ZETA platform is if it was underneath a LARGE SPORTS SEDAN.
I completely understand why people would want a Pontiac G8. The G8 offers the utility and stealth of a sedan, with muscle car acceleration and M5 handling.
But, I can't believe people are willing to buy a 3,900 pound car pretending to be a "sports coupe" just because it has a Camaro badge.
Beautiful car. Ridiculous curb weight.
I completely understand why people would want a Pontiac G8. The G8 offers the utility and stealth of a sedan, with muscle car acceleration and M5 handling.
But, I can't believe people are willing to buy a 3,900 pound car pretending to be a "sports coupe" just because it has a Camaro badge.
Beautiful car. Ridiculous curb weight.
Yes i agree that it should be lighter but they want to make more people happy then just drag racers. I know overall a lighter car would be better, but for how it performs i dont see why anyone should be complaining besides the looks which could be better but arent too bad.
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At least we ALL agree the 5th gen should have been lighter.
At 3,900lbs, you might as well get the the G8 which offers 4 doors, stealth, and utility with the about the same weight.
If I was in the sports car market, I'd have to buy a C5 or C6 instead.
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The way I see it, the new Camaro, by the average person's standards, isn't slow by any means. We're all comparing it to our LS1's, but you all forget... LS1's were touched by the hand of god, so how can you compare? 
But really, it seems most american cars these days are getting heavier and heavier, and until companies realize that weight is a VERY big factor in speed, things won't change. Imagine if the new Camaro weighed as much as our 4th Gens. It would be a BEAST!
But really, it seems most american cars these days are getting heavier and heavier, and until companies realize that weight is a VERY big factor in speed, things won't change. Imagine if the new Camaro weighed as much as our 4th Gens. It would be a BEAST!
03-24-2009, 11:04 AM
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03-24-2009, 11:31 AM
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I agree that the Camaro is over weight and should have weight no more than 3700 fully loaded. All the car today are getting to be fat pigs in the weight department, I just saw that a Ferrarri that weight 4000 pounds!!! I hate the effect of all that weight on handling, and it can be seen in the video where the 13.0 @111 run. Now if you actually watch the video, all those runs were on an engines that had not been broken in, at 33° outside temps (just try to get a car to hook at that temp), on unprepared pavement (you can see the diirt fly), with full tread depth street tires. To all the naysayers, that run was not what those cars can truely run, wait till the real magazines get ahold of one in the spring at somewhere like Phenoix or Las Vegas for testing then you can bitch about it. That trap speed tells alot.
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not really the term muscle car originated from the original GTO in 1964 , the chevelles from 1964-72 and old chargers and superbees, challengers. all classified as "muscle cars" due to weight size and power output. and the 2010 camaro being at about 3900 lbs without a doubt falls into that category. as does the g8
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You know what else is funny is for as much as it weighs i bet it feels lighter then our 4th gens because stock for stock its faster handles better and stops better!
Im sure there is alot of weight that can be taken out of those cars, all cars start out as brand new "stock" cars, just like our 4th gens, but its only a matter of time before that changes!
Im sure there is alot of weight that can be taken out of those cars, all cars start out as brand new "stock" cars, just like our 4th gens, but its only a matter of time before that changes!
03-24-2009, 01:21 PM
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not really the term muscle car originated from the original GTO in 1964 , the chevelles from 1964-72 and old chargers and superbees, challengers. all classified as "muscle cars" due to weight size and power output. and the 2010 camaro being at about 3900 lbs without a doubt falls into that category. as does the g8
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Being a muscle car has nothing to do with weight. There were plenty of heavy metal muscle cars in the 1960s when the entire thing started. Muscle cars are simply RWD cars engineered with acceleration in mind ahead of everything else. Some handle well, some don't, some are light, some are not, some are midsized, some are fullsized, the differences are splitting hairs.
Terms like "pony car" and "grocery getter" are simply niches within the muscle car genre. They come in coupes, four doors and some even have beds in the back (El Camino) but people buy them all for the same thing, burning tires and burning the quarter mile.
If you don't like the weight of the new Camaro buy something else. Like a real two seat sports car like a Corvette, or get an original from the 60s before the government mandated safety and manufacturers went to unitized monocoque construction and call it a day.
Terms like "pony car" and "grocery getter" are simply niches within the muscle car genre. They come in coupes, four doors and some even have beds in the back (El Camino) but people buy them all for the same thing, burning tires and burning the quarter mile.
If you don't like the weight of the new Camaro buy something else. Like a real two seat sports car like a Corvette, or get an original from the 60s before the government mandated safety and manufacturers went to unitized monocoque construction and call it a day.
