Plug has been pulled on the Camaro
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Clever title, first thing I said in my head was "yeah riiight" but I clicked the link anyway.
I think the camaro will be more of a name booster, to show the cool side of Chevy, but also more of a recreational vehicle. They did miss their chance, they seemed to be pushing for the v6's to sell a lot of like the mustangs but in these price's even v6's arn't looked so well upon. They need some gas saving technology to be able to sell those, and say these look cool and get the mpg's you're looking for...but we'll see who knows, I hear the v6 will be pretty fast maybe a lot of people will opt for a v6 camaro instead of a v8 mustang if the v6 is almost as fast as the v8 stang...
I think the camaro will be more of a name booster, to show the cool side of Chevy, but also more of a recreational vehicle. They did miss their chance, they seemed to be pushing for the v6's to sell a lot of like the mustangs but in these price's even v6's arn't looked so well upon. They need some gas saving technology to be able to sell those, and say these look cool and get the mpg's you're looking for...but we'll see who knows, I hear the v6 will be pretty fast maybe a lot of people will opt for a v6 camaro instead of a v8 mustang if the v6 is almost as fast as the v8 stang...
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I'm not sure if alot of people are going to really pick a V6 Camaro over a V8 Stang, that remains to be seen. Regardless of how it stacks up performance wise, alot of people will still want a V8. And besides, it doesn't really matter that everyone claims the V6 Camaro is going to be faster than the current Mustang GT. Is comparing a future car to a current car really a bragging point? Within a year of the Camaros release the Mustang GT is getting a new engine with 400hp. I highly doubt the V6 Camaro will out perform that.
who really cares about the mpg's of a sports car? come on you buy them because they're fast, not because they get 400 mpg's. as for the buying a v6 sports car, thats like dating your cousin. it may be ok when no one's around but you're really ashamed when people find out.
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^^^^ True.... but now with ga$ costing what it does.... there are simply some people that maybe would have purchassed a sports car when ga$ was cheaper.... now they will be priced out of the market for a sports car due to the cost of ga$ alone.
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Nobody hunting for a car that returns maximum fuel economy is going to look at a Camaro or a Mustang with a four cylinder engine. They will buy a car specifically engineered for fuel economy which the Camaro is not. The Camaro is engineered to be a muscle car and neutering it is a massive mistake.
What's truly scary is Mark LaNeve of GM being on record saying they aren't selling a fire-breathing hot rod. If that's not what the Camaro is then what the Hell is it?
Dumping a four cylinder into the Camaro and expecting people to lap it up is a recipe for disaster, not only in sales but also in perception of the Camaro brand. It's akin to putting a four cylinder in the Corvette and GM saying that they are "redefining" the Corvette. Remember what happened when GM tried to "redefine" the GTO? How well did the last four cylinder Camaro really sell? The answer to both is they didn't sell well.
The real irony of GM's four cylinder turbo is that it only averages 20MPG overall in the little Solstice on premium fuel. I average just about that in my LS2 400hp V8 GTO with a manual transmission in the city.
This type of nonsense coming from GM just shows what a horribly managed, ****-poor company it's really become.
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If GM wants to sell cars that are known for miles per gallon they have to create them. They cannot redefine or destroy iconic names like the Camaro and make themselves look like bigger fools by "greenwashing" it.
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I'm actually curious to see how long the camaro will last under current gas prices. I live in southern Cali and gas is now up to 420 for regular.
I don't think it will be long before it hits 5. Honestly I would have loved to get a new camaro but I just don't think having an 8cyl is worth the cost any more. I'm gonna sell my trans am and get me a sky red line, soltice gxp or even a new cobalt SS.
There 260 hp/ 260 tq not bad for a 4cyl not to mention they get 32 highway at least I'm sticking to GM /shrug
I don't think it will be long before it hits 5. Honestly I would have loved to get a new camaro but I just don't think having an 8cyl is worth the cost any more. I'm gonna sell my trans am and get me a sky red line, soltice gxp or even a new cobalt SS.
There 260 hp/ 260 tq not bad for a 4cyl not to mention they get 32 highway at least I'm sticking to GM /shrug
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This is also the same reason why a four cylinder Camaro will fail.
Nobody hunting for a car that returns maximum fuel economy is going to look at a Camaro or a Mustang with a four cylinder engine. They will buy a car specifically engineered for fuel economy which the Camaro is not. The Camaro is engineered to be a muscle car and neutering it is a massive mistake.
What's truly scary is Mark LaNeve of GM being on record saying they aren't selling a fire-breathing hot rod. If that's not what the Camaro is then what the Hell is it?
Dumping a four cylinder into the Camaro and expecting people to lap it up is a recipe for disaster, not only in sales but also in perception of the Camaro brand. It's akin to putting a four cylinder in the Corvette and GM saying that they are "redefining" the Corvette. Remember what happened when GM tried to "redefine" the GTO? How well did the last four cylinder Camaro really sell? The answer to both is they didn't sell well.
The real irony of GM's four cylinder turbo is that it only averages 20MPG overall in the little Solstice on premium fuel. I average just about that in my LS2 400hp V8 GTO with a manual transmission in the city.
This type of nonsense coming from GM just shows what a horribly managed, ****-poor company it's really become.
Nobody hunting for a car that returns maximum fuel economy is going to look at a Camaro or a Mustang with a four cylinder engine. They will buy a car specifically engineered for fuel economy which the Camaro is not. The Camaro is engineered to be a muscle car and neutering it is a massive mistake.
What's truly scary is Mark LaNeve of GM being on record saying they aren't selling a fire-breathing hot rod. If that's not what the Camaro is then what the Hell is it?
Dumping a four cylinder into the Camaro and expecting people to lap it up is a recipe for disaster, not only in sales but also in perception of the Camaro brand. It's akin to putting a four cylinder in the Corvette and GM saying that they are "redefining" the Corvette. Remember what happened when GM tried to "redefine" the GTO? How well did the last four cylinder Camaro really sell? The answer to both is they didn't sell well.
The real irony of GM's four cylinder turbo is that it only averages 20MPG overall in the little Solstice on premium fuel. I average just about that in my LS2 400hp V8 GTO with a manual transmission in the city.
This type of nonsense coming from GM just shows what a horribly managed, ****-poor company it's really become.
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Pardon me, what? That would be the single largest, stupidest thing GM has ever done. Aside from losing literally MILLIONS of loyal customers, they'd have just wasted almost 2 billion$ in resources, R&D, and materials.
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From: Schiller Park, ILL Member: #317
Not sure why everyone is so worried. The 5th gen Camaro will almost certainly come with an availible "detuned" LS3 rated at 400hp, for right around $32-34k. And it'll dyno within 10rwhp of the LS3 Corvette. 
I'm really not worried myself. And if, for some odd reason, the engine choices suck, then pick up a used 1LT (stripper option level) LS2 or LS3 Vette, and still get 400+ HP, for just a bit more money.
I'm really not worried myself. And if, for some odd reason, the engine choices suck, then pick up a used 1LT (stripper option level) LS2 or LS3 Vette, and still get 400+ HP, for just a bit more money.
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I expected nothing less from you. But you're still being silly.
People paid over $30k (with options) for '02 Camaro SSs, so I see no reason why a '10 Camaro SS can't/shouldn't sell for low-mid $30s with an LS3. That's still more than $10k less than the base price for a brand new stripper vette. And a vette with options stickers for over $50k easy. So a brand new fully optioned Camaro SS seems fair at $32-34k.
People paid over $30k (with options) for '02 Camaro SSs, so I see no reason why a '10 Camaro SS can't/shouldn't sell for low-mid $30s with an LS3. That's still more than $10k less than the base price for a brand new stripper vette. And a vette with options stickers for over $50k easy. So a brand new fully optioned Camaro SS seems fair at $32-34k.
I expected nothing less from you. But you're still being silly.
People paid over $30k (with options) for '02 Camaro SSs, so I see no reason why a '10 Camaro SS can't/shouldn't sell for low-mid $30s with an LS3. That's still more than $10k less than the base price for a brand new stripper vette. And a vette with options stickers for over $50k easy. So a brand new fully optioned Camaro SS seems fair at $32-34k.
People paid over $30k (with options) for '02 Camaro SSs, so I see no reason why a '10 Camaro SS can't/shouldn't sell for low-mid $30s with an LS3. That's still more than $10k less than the base price for a brand new stripper vette. And a vette with options stickers for over $50k easy. So a brand new fully optioned Camaro SS seems fair at $32-34k.
Basically, it all needs to be in line with the Mustang and Challenger. They have a lot riding on this and several ways they can blow it. This will be dependent on pricing and dealers.
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I picked up my ol 98 TA (NBM, 323's, non WS6) in 2004. I found the original receipt, behind the glovebox, that stated $32000! My 1st thought was some idiot overpayed! With that being said, I dont think GM's base V8 camaro will be inline with the Stang GT pricewise. Also, the V8 SS will be well over $35000. But thats ok, you can still get the V6 300HP LT for around $28000 (sarcasm)! Lets hope the Yahoo engine releases are false!
https://ls1tech.com/forums/gen-5-racing-tech/925335-yahoo-exposes-2010-camaro-its-engine-options.html
https://ls1tech.com/forums/gen-5-racing-tech/925335-yahoo-exposes-2010-camaro-its-engine-options.html
