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badmfkr 02-17-2010 11:28 AM

who like's my home made sealed WS6 air box
 
who like's my home made sealed WS6 air box

this is stage one of a 3 stage project, there's a 1/8" gap between the rubber seal and the air box.

I will update as I go.



http://i910.photobucket.com/albums/a...aledairbox.jpg

stage 2 will be adding some 1/8" weather stripping or some rubber to completely seal air box
http://i910.photobucket.com/albums/a...ledairbox2.jpg

stage 3 will be removing the nostril air blocks cutting them and us as a holder for a fabbed square tube for a striaght shot of air.

comment I like the flexable weather seal because it's durable and will not rot over time.plus it was free.

Here's the weather stripe material I used came off a 08 ford explorer it seals the rear trunk hatch has a slite and has a nice tight fit on the hood however I may just drill a few holes an secure it.



http://i910.photobucket.com/albums/a...ngmaterial.jpg

ttranssam 02-17-2010 11:42 AM

same thing i did but mine fell off

Slvr00Bird 02-17-2010 11:50 AM

Do you drive it in the rain any? I wouldn't cut the baffles out if so, but if you don't then :cheers:

SOMbitch 02-17-2010 06:22 PM

Plenty of people remove the baffles with no issues. Do it or your exercise is pointless IMO. Looks pretty good!

TheBlueKnight 02-17-2010 07:42 PM

http://i469.photobucket.com/albums/r...g?t=1259436484
Mine sits flush against the face of the air box.

bayer-z28 02-17-2010 07:47 PM

Actually not a bad idea.. use some weather strip adhesive to hold it in. Was thinkin of a way to check to see how much clearance there is between the bottom of the lid and the hood. Prolly have to have the entire radiator out and stick your head and hand under there somehow.

Beaflag VonRathburg 02-18-2010 02:50 AM

I am planning on doing something like this very soon to my Formula.

badmfkr 03-03-2010 06:58 PM

couple updates
 

Originally Posted by SOMbitch (Post 12909172)
Plenty of people remove the baffles with no issues. Do it or your exercise is pointless IMO. Looks pretty good!

well if I get caught in the wet stuff I'll slow downa little and I'm thinking well let's make a cover if I'm far from home Thanks gottta take chances for a increase in effeciency.


Originally Posted by TheBlueKnight (Post 12909580)
http://i469.photobucket.com/albums/r...g?t=1259436484
Mine sits flush against the face of the air box.

Looks good man


Originally Posted by bayer-z28 (Post 12909609)
Actually not a bad idea.. use some weather strip adhesive to hold it in. Was thinkin of a way to check to see how much clearance there is between the bottom of the lid and the hood. Prolly have to have the entire radiator out and stick your head and hand under there somehow.

Dude you don't have to crawl inside the car an remove the rad. it's exactly 1" you can observe this from the side w/ hood closed (on first click of hood latch).

couple of updates sorry images aren't that good. here's a image of top & bottom pieces front view. (the wegde is tempary to hold stuff in place.

http://i910.photobucket.com/albums/a...ik219d9/ra.jpg

image of the front & bottom w/ side piece gluded, the top piece was real easy just jamed it into top of hood, bottom piece required a little cutting & fittting note the small flange I created the plastic nostril piece will hold it, the back of both top & bottom will be gluded to the rubber stripe.
http://i910.photobucket.com/albums/a...k219d9/ra3.jpg

I cured the 1/8"small gap cut the front part of the weather stripe and glued it to the back =s complete seal so that give's me another excuse to stand on the gas because I'm trying out new mods .

I'll try to produce better images of this project & post any increase in 1/4 mile times & or fuel mileage.

TORCHD 02 TA 03-04-2010 02:58 AM

that isn't the correct way..

How I did mine was seal the peimeter of the lid itself, sealed the tray where the air filter sits, and sealed on top of the radiator support and sealed the front like you did where the air is 'ramed' in


The only place my car gets the air from is under air damn going into my home made FTRA

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i9...s/DSC03835.jpg
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i9...s/DSC03836.jpg
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i9...s/DSC03837.jpg
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i9...s/DSC03839.jpg

pheer 03-04-2010 04:04 AM

what is that you used to seal the lid with?

badmfkr 03-04-2010 07:58 AM

Ra
 

Originally Posted by TORCHD 02 TA (Post 12980379)
that isn't the correct way..

How I did mine was seal the peimeter of the lid itself, sealed the tray where the air filter sits, and sealed on top of the radiator support and sealed the front like you did where the air is 'ramed' in


The only place my car gets the air from is under air damn going into my home made FTRA

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i9...s/DSC03835.jpg
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i9...s/DSC03836.jpg
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i9...s/DSC03837.jpg
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i9...s/DSC03839.jpg

yes I have sean the way you sealed the air box a while back looks good.

but don't you think a straighter shot of air could be more effeicient?

and is'nt the air being sucked into air box from in front of rad a tad warmer compared to being sucked though the ram air holes?
Thanks

Siciliano15 03-04-2010 10:31 AM

hate to be blunt here but i think anyone who has a ws6 ram air car and blocks off the front of the highrise air box to make the ram air from underneath is a fool. the hood and airbox were designed very well and removing those baffles does wonders to make ram air without getting dirt and possible splashes of water from under the car. i just think if you have a ram air car then put it to use otherwise just get a non-ws6 or a camaro and do your radiator ram air mod. check out the jaam ram air kit it uses all 4 nostrils. this is what i have and it was a great sotp difference from stock.

Redneck Z 03-04-2010 11:16 AM


Originally Posted by Siciliano15 (Post 12981289)
hate to be blunt here but i think anyone who has a ws6 ram air car and blocks off the front of the highrise air box to make the ram air from underneath is a fool. the hood and airbox were designed very well and removing those baffles does wonders to make ram air without getting dirt and possible splashes of water from under the car.

The problem I have with that, is the air models show air currents hit the nose of the car and then jump up and over the nostrils on the hood. The car is not designed to actually guide air into the nostrils for a "real" ram air effect, but actually sends the air up and "over" the nostrils. From what I've read, a bottom feeding ram air makes alot more sense considering the aerodynamics of the car.

Siciliano15 03-04-2010 01:30 PM


Originally Posted by Redneck Z (Post 12981479)
The problem I have with that, is the air models show air currents hit the nose of the car and then jump up and over the nostrils on the hood. The car is not designed to actually guide air into the nostrils for a "real" ram air effect, but actually sends the air up and "over" the nostrils. From what I've read, a bottom feeding ram air makes alot more sense considering the aerodynamics of the car.

that may be true but ive seen posts where people have picked up 2-3 mph in the quarter mile just be removing the hood baffles and to get 2-3mph u need 20-30 hp so i know that the nostrils are doing something.

Redneck Z 03-04-2010 01:49 PM


Originally Posted by Siciliano15 (Post 12982066)
that may be true but ive seen posts where people have picked up 2-3 mph in the quarter mile just be removing the hood baffles and to get 2-3mph u need 20-30 hp so i know that the nostrils are doing something.

I have no doubt that it does something, just saying that it doesn't work as well as blocking off the top section and sucking from the bottom from what I've seen.

badmfkr 03-05-2010 02:00 PM

couple more images car runs better faster throttle respose too
 
couple more images, car runs better, faster throttle response too

also the exhaust got noticeably louder guess that's a good indication of a power increase.
http://i910.photobucket.com/albums/a...k219d9/ra6.jpg

rubber weather stripe is gluded to the metal
http://i910.photobucket.com/albums/a...k219d9/ra5.jpg

chrs1313 03-07-2010 09:14 PM

not a bad setup...still would love to see someone do tests for ram air from below vs nostrils...

badmfkr 03-08-2010 06:59 AM

Ra
 

Originally Posted by chrs1313 (Post 12996910)
not a bad setup... Thanks still would love to see someone do tests for ram air from below vs nostrils...

I've read about you're lower version of the FTRA and the results netted very impressive.

you can easiely do the top vs bottom comparision w/ this hood. plus get closer to the desired race wieght harwood also makes a nice light hood.


http://www.octanemotorsports.com/pro...603#googlebase

congrates on being a ram air manufactorer good luck w/ the sales I'm sure lots of Camaro and non ram air folks will be all over this.

Currently thinking of a spong as a rain blocker any tips on this is appreciated

chrs1313 03-08-2010 09:01 AM


Originally Posted by badmfkr (Post 12998514)
I've read about you're lower version of the FTRA and the results netted very impressive.

you can easiely do the top vs bottom comparision w/ this hood. plus get closer to the desired race wieght harwood also makes a nice light hood.


http://www.octanemotorsports.com/pro...603#googlebase

congrates on being a ram air manufactorer good luck w/ the sales I'm sure lots of Camaro and non ram air folks will be all over this.

Currently thinking of a spong as a rain blocker any tips on this is appreciated

a sponge is a good idea when it starts raining throw te sponge in and remove it when it stops...

badmfkr 03-26-2010 07:46 AM

update who likes my home made rain covers.
 
update who likes my home made rain covers.

Chrs I was thinking about useing the grey heavey duty packing sponge like you used to block off the front of you're airlid these clips are definitly fingernail benders.

I used body panel attachers they expand from the rear when center button is depressed then colaspse when button pulled out.

the exposed air holes are on top
http://i910.photobucket.com/albums/a.../racovers2.jpg

http://i910.photobucket.com/albums/a.../racovers1.jpg

http://i910.photobucket.com/albums/a...9/racover3.jpg

I'm not real big on cosmetics (for something like this) just so it functions.

any constructive critazian or comments are wellcome


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