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bww3588 Nov 16, 2013 12:32 PM

d585's to regular truck coils
 
The 5.3 I have came with the 585 coils, unfortunately, while the junk yard was pulling the engine they ruined 4 of the 8. I bought another set of 585's, but they got lost in the mail. The seller was nice enough to send me another set, but they are the regular, non heat sink truck coils. (12558693).

I know you have to change some things in the tune to swap from these, to 585's so I would assume the dwell needs to be changed as well to go back. Am I correct, or can I just bolt them on and go? I've already verified the connections are the same, although I need to use a different bracket.

bww3588 Dec 29, 2013 08:47 PM

Ttt...

Firebirdmuscle Dec 30, 2013 10:28 PM

My tuner said I could swap them and go so I would assume you could too. Just guessing though.

bww3588 Dec 30, 2013 11:43 PM

I can't see it hurting anything. But Idk

Paul Bell Dec 31, 2013 06:30 AM

I would suggest you stay with the D585 coils. Find another set.

They have the most output of all the coils.

If you change to the D581 coils, you'd also need to change the brackets.

themealonwheels Dec 31, 2013 08:55 AM

Until my new brackets show up, I'm actually using stock 2000 fbody coils on my driver side and D585 coils on the passenger side. Now this may be a huge coincidence, but I triggered a couple of O2 sensor codes on the passenger side a few miles after installing the D585s. I cleared them and they came back. One is the bank running lean and the other I forgot... and it's a fairly new Denso O2 sensor, like less than 3k miles and 6 months.

I seriously don't think that the different coils on each side is the culprit, but I can't deny it until my new brackets get here. Food for thought...

thunderstruck507 Dec 31, 2013 09:02 AM

I would use the other truck coils if you already have them. The brackets will work and I never found any measurable gains with the d585 coils anyway.

1FastBrick Jan 1, 2014 11:19 PM

In the past I have been told they were different.

However after comparing a stock file with square truck coils to another file with with round coils the timing and dwell were the same. The only difference I could see in the spark tables was in timing. The round coils had 1 additional degree across all the high and low octane tables.

bww3588 Jan 1, 2014 11:40 PM


Originally Posted by 1FastBrick (Post 17921704)
In the past I have been told they were different.

However after comparing a stock file with square truck coils to another file with with round coils the timing and dwell were the same. The only difference I could see in the spark tables was in timing. The round coils had 1 additional degree across all the high and low octane tables.

If that's the case, I should be able to plug and go.

thunderstruck507 Jan 2, 2014 08:37 AM

I ran the square truck coils on a stock ls1 dwell table and later one copied from a truck with the square coils without noticing anything.

They fit the valve covers too you just have to bend the fuel rail entry a hair.


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