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Old 10-25-2015, 12:01 PM
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Hello. I'm new to this forum. I have a 2000 Camaro Z28. I've got a defective right bank cat. Instead of replacing it, I'm having both of them removed and the engine retuned at a dyno speed shop. Question is, if money is a constraint, is there really a huge advantage to running LT headers over using the stock LS1 manifolds? I've read an extensive Super Chevy article hat suggested that it is critical to have headers that are tuned to the application or you'll lose hp and low end torque. (Bigger isn't always better)

Are the stock manifolds really restrictive over LT headers? BTW, I will be adding an SLP cold air intake set up before having it tuned. What can I expect to gain keeping the stock manifolds with Cats out, Slp cold air added and the retune vs. using LT headers? Thanks for weighing in on this in advance.
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if your gunna get tuned get Long tubes. speed engineering has a great deal on nice set of stainless 1 7/8ths headers.
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Thanks Killer Z. What would I gain in hp and torque in running the LT's over just running stock manifold. The car will receive the SLP cold air intake and a performance tune in either scenario I go with.
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really depends on the car. its not unheard of to get well over 20WHP and tq accross the board. really depends on how your car is right now. if your car's factory tune is off you can expect to see more. if i remember there have been cars gaining close to 40whp because factory tune was off dramatically. do you have a catback now?
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do you know why your cat went bad?
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Car is completely factory right now. Only 65000 miles. Don't know why it went bad. Driver went, and I replaced. Now this one two months later.
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Originally Posted by CurtDrums
Car is completely factory right now. Only 65000 miles. Don't know why it went bad. Driver went, and I replaced. Now this one two months later.
the fact you said theyve both gone bad indicates something else is wrong and you need to find out what before anything else.
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Well they are 15 years old. What would some possible causes be?
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Where they clogged .or was it a code that said cat inefficient?
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Code that cat inefficient. Both O2 sensors have been replaced on the outlet side of both cats
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If you're looking for budget and power, go for Speed Engineering 3/4s. Can't do better for the price.

The stock manifolds are garbage compared to any pair of headers.





I mean just look at the difference.....
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Yes, I checked their site. Incredible price! What do you mean by 3/4's? 3/4 the length of full LT's, or 1-3/4 primary rubes?
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How difficult are these to install? I'll probably do the work myself to save $. Any vids out there of it being done?
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Plan your weekend around it and I hope you cuss cause if you don't you will be by the time you are finished. Expect to find settled motor mounts and headers hitting everything cause motor settled. So plan on a set of poly mounts ahead of time
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LT's all the way.
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I would be concerned with something else because cats should last the life of the car. Is it the factory plugs and wires? MAF dirty? Did you change the upstream O2s or just downstream? If the upstream are reading rich or lean it can cause the PCM to add more or less fuel causing the cats to fail, or just be a false reading and your cat is fine.

Long tubes all the way, you have to get air in and out, long tubes not only reduce back pressure but help scavenging, where the exhaust pulse from 1 cylinder pulls the exhaust out of the next cylinder, giving even more exhaust flow, and more power. Just get a mail order tune for the long tubes, no need for a dyno tune since so many tuners have dyno tuned long tube cars they will just send you the file and you save $200-400. You can expect 20-40rwhp just from long tubes, a lid and a tune, and better fuel mileage since more HP means you don't have to apply as much throttle to move at the same speed.
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Ok, I have gotten the Speed Engineering, 1-7/8 primaries, headers. However, they don't have any egr connections, only O2 sensor ports. What do I do with the emissions pieces from stock manifold? My Camaro is a 2000 model.

Also, if I don't have a dyno shop tune, where and what do you recommend for a mail order tune? I've heard it's much better to have it done locally on a dyno.
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dont throw away your stock cats! they have platinum inside i believe and are worth money. i learned the hard way.
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Originally Posted by DANOZ28
dont throw away your stock cats! they have platinum inside i believe and are worth money. i learned the hard way.
Thanks. Yes, planning to keep them in case I need them at some point.
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i prefer a dyno tune but thats just what id do.


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