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Old 08-05-2004, 09:58 AM
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Default What to get next -- goal of 400rwhp

First off here is my list of mods:

All the freebies from LS1 and LS1tech.com
SLP air lid w/K & N
SLP 85mm MAF
SLP smooth Bellows (waste of money btw)
Hooker Cat-back
Flow-tech Cutout
3.73 gears
TCI Super Street fighter 3500 stall 2.5:1
B & M Tranny Cooler
ASP Underdrive pulley
BMR Lower Control Arms
LS1 Edit + Dyno Tuned

My last dyno was 308rwhp but was before the cutout and underdrive pulley. I have no idea what I am putting down but assuming close to 315 to 320ish.

Now with that said. What will I gain from Pacesetter Long tubes, off road Y and LS6 intake manifold? Will this bring me close to 350rwhp, maybe a hair over?

Then with that said, Texas Speed's Magic Stick v3 cam on stock heads?


Just curious on what I need to plan next. 400rwhp is my overall goal, running NA.
Old 08-05-2004, 10:29 AM
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Definatly long tubes next. They will be your greatest gain yet.

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Originally Posted by Nasty N8
Definatly long tubes next. They will be your greatest gain yet.

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I second that
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I third that. But don't buy Pacesetter headers unless you're broke. You get what you pay for, invest in a better set of headers like Hooker or FLP (NOT SLP).
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I thought about the Hookers but from what I read the pacesetters are just as good performance wise. Durability is in question though. If it'll last me a couple of years then I'm fine with that.

Headers it is, next
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I 4th that, I bought PaceSetters and they are excellent quality. The are the best and most affordable header you will find. I have the older set and they are great and I have heard the new kind are great but don't go with thier Y-pipe. Do Duals. Good Luck.. Make the choice do stainless or coated.
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5th that? how about the edelbrocks????
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I have seen pictures of Pace setters where the welds extrude into the tube. (interrupted flow) I disagree that they are great headers. I run Jet hots which are a less expensive and thicker version of the Hookers.
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LS6 Intake, headers, Nice Cam, 400rwhp Easily obtainable!
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Originally Posted by Bowtieman4life
I have seen pictures of Pace setters where the welds extrude into the tube. (interrupted flow) I disagree that they are great headers. I run Jet hots which are a less expensive and thicker version of the Hookers.
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even with headers, it looks like u r definitely gonna need at least a heavy cam....or a mild cam with some stage 2 heads to get to 400 to the rear
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That's what I was thinking too

On a mustang dyno I'm pulling about 315 at the wheels. Maybe alittle more on a good day.

LS6 intake probably net 8 to 10 right?
Headers, worse case 20hp but I keep hearing people gaining 26 to 34 at the wheels with long tubes and or-y.



With the LS6 intake and headers I should be right at 350 to the wheels if I am estimating everything correctly. Even with a pretty aggressive cam, I am skeptical that I will net 50 more wheel hp out of it. Stage II heads and a decent cam probably so.

Why I am kind of confused on the Texas Speed Magic Stick v3 test they did. Full bolt on Z28 with a 224/224 cam dynoed 360ish at the wheels, then with the new cam, 402 at the wheels. hmmm. That's the cam I was thinking about going to is the Magic Stick v3.

I was debating either a TR224/224 or the Magic Stick
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Originally Posted by Raben
I was debating either a TR224/224 or the Magic Stick
Those are hardly comparable.
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Originally Posted by m_donze
Those are hardly comparable.

big difference in both cams!!! what made u narrow it down to these two? youre gonna have some hellified tuning issues with that cam...especially since youre an A4 id go with a milder cam and throw some nice heads on there....maybe a stage II head/224 cam combo might work well for u. u might even hit 415 with some good tuning. good luck bro
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The cam my performance shop recommend me was 242/246, .602/.612, LSA 113

They have already properly tuned this cam on a LS1 with A4 tranny.


I know 224/224 doesn't compete but this was the cam I originally wanted. I compared because that was in the Z28 Texas speed tested, then they removed it for the magic stick and pulled 402 out of an A4 car.
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i have an a4 and that is a BIG cam for us im im not mastaking?? Anybody correct me if im wrong but your gonna need a big converter and some gears...T-rex recomends 410s and 4400 stall and that has 610-612 lift so you might need something around there...ANYBODY correct me if im wrong.
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from what ive been researching for the past few months....if u go with a big cam like that on stock heads, your peak numbers are definitely gonna skyrocket, but where the power really matters is under the curve and i think u might wanna consider that before u go diving into your internals. do a search for dyno result sheets from people who have cammed only cars and head and cammed cars...and u will see the difference. id say if u dont wanna be much over 400, if any, id get a mild cam and go ahead and do the heads at the same time.
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Originally Posted by Raben
The cam my performance shop recommend me was 242/246, .602/.612, LSA 113

They have already properly tuned this cam on a LS1 with A4 tranny.


I know 224/224 doesn't compete but this was the cam I originally wanted. I compared because that was in the Z28 Texas speed tested, then they removed it for the magic stick and pulled 402 out of an A4 car.
THAT IS HUGE. Any clearance issues?
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Na no clearance issues at all. Had to replace springs to Comp 921s and forgot what type of pushrods and retainers were needed. I don't want to chance going with that cam as I am alittle skeptical, not about the clearance so much if they are sure of it, however I am concern about the beating the engine would take

A head swap sounds like a good plan too. From what I can tell, I probably could get away with a stage II 5.3L heads and a TR224/224 cam and achieve that.


Dang just can't make up my mind




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