New Exhaust System ----> Need your feedback!!
New Exhaust System ----> Need your feedback!! Hi Everyone,
We are in the process of developing a brand new exhaust system for the 98-02 LS1 fbodies. The system is going to be 3" T409 stainless steel from the intermediate pipe all the way to the tailpipes (as opposed to other aftermarket catbacks which use 2.5" tailpipes. Instead of the usual more restrictive transverse muffler used in other systems, we are planning to use one stainless steel resonator in each tailpipe (2 in total).
The system will be a straight through design and the flow will be extraordinary. It will also be quieter than the loudmouth but louder than a conventional catback which is a request we have gotten from many customers.
There would be no tips included in the system (to keep costs down) but it would have 3" slash cut tailpipes.
Question: Is this something you would be interested in? Would you prefer it to be louder with two resonators or quieter with two bullet mufflers instead?
We are shooting for an introductory price point of 499.99. Is this a price you would be willing to pay for a high flowing, stainless steel, complete 3 inch system?
Your feedback is greatly appreciated. We like to involve members in product development!
Thanks!
We are in the process of developing a brand new exhaust system for the 98-02 LS1 fbodies. The system is going to be 3" T409 stainless steel from the intermediate pipe all the way to the tailpipes (as opposed to other aftermarket catbacks which use 2.5" tailpipes. Instead of the usual more restrictive transverse muffler used in other systems, we are planning to use one stainless steel resonator in each tailpipe (2 in total).
The system will be a straight through design and the flow will be extraordinary. It will also be quieter than the loudmouth but louder than a conventional catback which is a request we have gotten from many customers.
There would be no tips included in the system (to keep costs down) but it would have 3" slash cut tailpipes.
Question: Is this something you would be interested in? Would you prefer it to be louder with two resonators or quieter with two bullet mufflers instead?
We are shooting for an introductory price point of 499.99. Is this a price you would be willing to pay for a high flowing, stainless steel, complete 3 inch system?
Your feedback is greatly appreciated. We like to involve members in product development!
Thanks!
Originally Posted by LetMeBurnU
LOUD.......i was actually looking for something louder than the LM. The Lm is really loud but i would want something a lil louder.
Price......399-450
Price......399-450
Originally Posted by LetMeBurnU
LOUD.......i was actually looking for something louder than the LM. The Lm is really loud but i would want something a lil louder.
Price......399-450
Price......399-450
even though im probably going to do the dynomouth setup. Slightly louder than cat-back, quieter than LM.....Yes
$499....I know SS prices keep going up, but.....No
Muffler in each tail pipe....Yes
No tips.....Yes
Still in design phase? Or any hint on what it looks like, pics, etc.?
$499....I know SS prices keep going up, but.....No
Muffler in each tail pipe....Yes
No tips.....Yes
Still in design phase? Or any hint on what it looks like, pics, etc.?
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I think that most of the people that have enough power to make this catback worthwhile, either run true duals or a cutout anyways. I don't see much product base for this imo.
The dynomouth, borlamouth etc. has seemed to become the solution to the "my loudmouth is too loud and raspy" and would still be cheaper than this.
The dynomouth, borlamouth etc. has seemed to become the solution to the "my loudmouth is too loud and raspy" and would still be cheaper than this.
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Two bullets in the tailpipes won't elminate rasp with LTs/ORY. I know this because a friend of mine has Grots with an ORY and two twelve inch bullets welded into his tailpipes and it still sounds like crap.
Feedback... Thanks for the feedback everyone.
Ton answer some questions:
A true dual kit exitting out the back or side is not an option as there just isn't room on the fbodies to do it without having rattling, banging or sacrificing ground clearance. The cost would also be very high since you would have to two pipes running the full distance.
There is no way to get the cost down if we build the system in full stainless with two resonators or two bullet mufflers. We could do a system similiar to the loudmouth (1 resonator) but with 3" tailpipes for a 399.99 pricepoint.
We could do a conventional T409 except for the muffler system with a transverse muffler and twin tailpipes for around 369.99 but I think there are plenty of systems with a similiar configuration around on the market right now.
Keep the feedback coming!!
Thanks!
Ton answer some questions:
A true dual kit exitting out the back or side is not an option as there just isn't room on the fbodies to do it without having rattling, banging or sacrificing ground clearance. The cost would also be very high since you would have to two pipes running the full distance.
There is no way to get the cost down if we build the system in full stainless with two resonators or two bullet mufflers. We could do a system similiar to the loudmouth (1 resonator) but with 3" tailpipes for a 399.99 pricepoint.
We could do a conventional T409 except for the muffler system with a transverse muffler and twin tailpipes for around 369.99 but I think there are plenty of systems with a similiar configuration around on the market right now.
Keep the feedback coming!!
Thanks!
Personally, I'd like to see a quiter exhaust setup, maybe I'm just getting old. I am so sick of abnoxiously loud, raspy, crappy sounding systems. Come up with something with a more mellow tone but still sound good and I'm all over it , whatever the cost. My .02
Dan
, whatever the cost. My .02Dan
For the average person putting an exhaust system on their car, I would emagine that exhaust tips would be a pretty important thing to have. Most people don't have the inclination to have tips welded on when they can buy a system with them already on. Just my 2 cents.
Although easier said than done, I think what would really sell is a 3 inch true dual system that had nice tips.
Although easier said than done, I think what would really sell is a 3 inch true dual system that had nice tips.
Originally Posted by DanZ28
Personally, I'd like to see a quiter exhaust setup, maybe I'm just getting old. I am so sick of abnoxiously loud, raspy, crappy sounding systems. Come up with something with a more mellow tone but still sound good and I'm all over it , whatever the cost. My .02
Dan
, whatever the cost. My .02Dan
There are already some systems like that. You would probably like the Corsa, Magnaflow or Even the Random Technology system. The Corsa would would probably be the most mellow of those.
If you want a deeper sound, you could go with a Mufflex 3.5 or 4.0" system. I have the 4.0" system on my personal vehicle and it sounds fantastic... very mellow and smooth.
I think if you guys could make something that works very well with long tubes and an ory, you could get some people interested. There don't seem to be many catbacks that are loud, but sound good with LT and an ORY. For full 3 inch, and SS, I think maybe 450 could get more people interested.
Also another idea, maybe you could make a system similar to the loudmouth, but offer better muffler selections than SLP.
Also another idea, maybe you could make a system similar to the loudmouth, but offer better muffler selections than SLP.
Originally Posted by satinleafct
I think if you guys could make something that works very well with long tubes and an ory, you could get some people interested. There don't seem to be many catbacks that are loud, but sound good with LT and an ORY. For full 3 inch, and SS, I think maybe 450 could get more people interested.
Also another idea, maybe you could make a system similar to the loudmouth, but offer better muffler selections than SLP.
Also another idea, maybe you could make a system similar to the loudmouth, but offer better muffler selections than SLP.
ex: bullet, chamberd muffler, xr1, magnaflow bullet just for example..
2nd idea: maybe make the system kinda based off the borla design with just one muffler, and a cutout style tail pipe with a adjustable plate feature...just let the consumer pick the muffler they would like to put in place of the muffler...then again, that might be kinda hard to make with a 450-500 goal in price...anyway, just throwing out idea's..
JOn
Originally Posted by satinleafct
I think if you guys could make something that works very well with long tubes and an ory, you could get some people interested. There don't seem to be many catbacks that are loud, but sound good with LT and an ORY. For full 3 inch, and SS, I think maybe 450 could get more people interested.
Also another idea, maybe you could make a system similar to the loudmouth, but offer better muffler selections than SLP.
Also another idea, maybe you could make a system similar to the loudmouth, but offer better muffler selections than SLP.
Exhaust tips add substantially to the cost of any system. That is why Corsa, Borla etc that come with nice tips are so pricey. It is very difficult to find 3" ID tips so the 3" tailpipes dictate no tips included with the system to keep prices down. If we did 2.5" tailpipes, we could use our dual stainless tips which look great but would add about 80.00 to the price.
Given all the permutations of long tubes and offroad pipe, there is no easy to way to make a cat back to work with them all. That is probably with TSP has their system exit under the car as it makes it cheaper and easier to make.
Originally Posted by Fast Toys Performance Parts
Thanks for your feedback. SLP already has a modular system with a choice of a single resonator or single muffler. That is why we proposed two mufflers in the tailipes. This would provide better ground clearance, superior sound control and superior flow. The system woudl also be complete 3". Of course, two mufflers cost more than one so it raises the price.
Exhaust tips add substantially to the cost of any system. That is why Corsa, Borla etc that come with nice tips are so pricey. It is very difficult to find 3" ID tips so the 3" tailpipes dictate no tips included with the system to keep prices down. If we did 2.5" tailpipes, we could use our dual stainless tips which look great but would add about 80.00 to the price.
Given all the permutations of long tubes and offroad pipe, there is no easy to way to make a cat back to work with them all. That is probably with TSP has their system exit under the car as it makes it cheaper and easier to make.
Exhaust tips add substantially to the cost of any system. That is why Corsa, Borla etc that come with nice tips are so pricey. It is very difficult to find 3" ID tips so the 3" tailpipes dictate no tips included with the system to keep prices down. If we did 2.5" tailpipes, we could use our dual stainless tips which look great but would add about 80.00 to the price.
Given all the permutations of long tubes and offroad pipe, there is no easy to way to make a cat back to work with them all. That is probably with TSP has their system exit under the car as it makes it cheaper and easier to make.
JOn
If you're looking to keep the price down, drop the 3" tailpipes. It gains the customer nothing and drives the price of the system higher. The flow area of the single 3" pipe that would feed the catback is 7.1 square inches. Dual 3" tailpipes would double that area and reduce EG velocity noticeably. Dual 2.5" tailpipes are still larger than the single 3" feed at 9.8 in². I don't know if the dual 3" tailpipes are just a marketing decision or what, but from a cost cutting perspective, I think you have a lot to gain and nothing to lose by going with a smaller pipe. JMHO.
Originally Posted by BigE
If you're looking to keep the price down, drop the 3" tailpipes. It gains the customer nothing and drives the price of the system higher. The flow area of the single 3" pipe that would feed the catback is 7.1 square inches. Dual 3" tailpipes would double that area and reduce EG velocity noticeably. Dual 2.5" tailpipes are still larger than the single 3" feed at 9.8 in². I don't know if the dual 3" tailpipes are just a marketing decision or what, but from a cost cutting perspective, I think you have a lot to gain and nothing to lose by going with a smaller pipe. JMHO.