1-7/8" to 2" stepped headers???
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1-7/8" to 2" stepped headers??? Does anyone manufacture 1-7/8" to 2" stepped headers? Or 2" primary headers? Just wondering.
If so is a link available?
edit: forgot to point and click that darn e-mail notification thingamabob. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
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<small>[ November 23, 2002, 11:44 AM: Message edited by: Tom the roofer ]</small>
If so is a link available?
edit: forgot to point and click that darn e-mail notification thingamabob. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
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Re: 1-7/8" to 2" stepped headers??? Yeah More Performance does. But you better be ready to take out a loan. 3000 bones for these things. Wish they were cheaper cause I'd like a set too.
http://www.moreperformanceinc.com
http://www.moreperformanceinc.com
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Re: 1-7/8" to 2" stepped headers??? Holy crap they ARE almost 3 g-notes. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="gr_eek2.gif" /> Thats just PLAIN CRAZINESS. <img border="0" alt="[Banging Head]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_banghead.gif" /> I'll stick with the 1-7/8" headers. They are prolly only worth a 10th or so over the 1-7/8" on a big bore and stroke anyway. Not worth $2,200 for a 10th. I'll wait till the price comes down to a reasonable level.
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Re: 1-7/8" to 2" stepped headers??? What the heck would make them SOOO expensive anyway. Are they jet hot coated with SILVER? <img border="0" alt="[bullshit]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_bs.gif" />
Re: 1-7/8" to 2" stepped headers??? Guys, for what that header is, 2800 is cheap. The prices for stuff like that is only getting higher too. Its a Tri-Y setup, and not the cheapest to build. If you saw what it looks like inside, you would hate to even put them on a car. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
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Re: 1-7/8" to 2" stepped headers??? If you guys are serious about doing/needing headers this size, there is a guy in the area here in Detroit that builds custom headers, and is well known in the racing scene, he's got headers on a few cars that are out there, the one i think of off hand, is the yellow mustang that D&D Performance races, that is all his stuff, headers to exhaust. So if you guys want to drive to michigan, you can have a bad *** set, or i mentioned to him about this, and he could make a set off of one car, and then make fixtures, and produce them easily, but we would need a car to do them off, i was gonna do a set of stepped headers on my car, but mine is a M6 and the headers wouldn't fit on an A4 quite as nice, it would be best to use a auto car, then they will fit everybody, just with more room on the M6's, whover is serious, post here, or drop me an email, and i'll make him a list of potentials, the only catch, would be that for him to do this, and make a fixture, he would require quite a few of us to drop a deposit down, to warrant him spending the time and materials on the project, and it would take about a month to get into the shop, because he is swamped, and will be busy up until the Detroit Autorama, because he does alot of the cars that are in that show, including mine, if i can get it ready for the show.
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Re: 1-7/8" to 2" stepped headers??? Oh, and i forgot to say, but, depending on what we want these made out of, we'll be definetely less than 3,000 bucks, even if you wanted them made out of stainless steel, they should still be less than 1,500 bucks, if we just got mild steel, and had them ceramic coated, they would probably be more around 1,100 bucks. They wouldn't be tri-y's though, unless you really wanted the, that would be more, but almost all of his headers are 4 into 1, and still make awesome power, a set he made a long time ago for an LS1 guy on a stock motor, with the usual stuff, catback/lid/k&n, made 16 more hp at the wheels than manifolds, and once he makes the fixtures for these big headers, he can then make any combination of smaller versions, i.e. 1 5/8 to 1 3/4 step, straight 1 5/8, straight 1 3/4, straight 1 7/8, etc, as long as the fixture is made to be the largest set we would want.
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Re: 1-7/8" to 2" stepped headers??? </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by G2 LS1:
<strong>Guys, for what that header is, 2800 is cheap. The prices for stuff like that is only getting higher too. Its a Tri-Y setup, and not the cheapest to build. If you saw what it looks like inside, you would hate to even put them on a car. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">What I didn't notice the first time I visited the web page is they are made from stainless steel. I think I will stick with my 1-7/8" headers and save up for a set of stepped headers for next season. Do they have a Y-pipe available <img border="0" alt="[jester]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_jest.gif" /> Just kidding <img border="0" alt="[jester]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_jest.gif" />
What exactly is a tri-Y?
Jason, wouldn't hurt to get a price from this guy.
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<strong>Guys, for what that header is, 2800 is cheap. The prices for stuff like that is only getting higher too. Its a Tri-Y setup, and not the cheapest to build. If you saw what it looks like inside, you would hate to even put them on a car. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">What I didn't notice the first time I visited the web page is they are made from stainless steel. I think I will stick with my 1-7/8" headers and save up for a set of stepped headers for next season. Do they have a Y-pipe available <img border="0" alt="[jester]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_jest.gif" /> Just kidding <img border="0" alt="[jester]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_jest.gif" />
What exactly is a tri-Y?
Jason, wouldn't hurt to get a price from this guy.
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Re: 1-7/8" to 2" stepped headers??? Tom, well, first off, a tri-y is simply how the primaries merge together, a conventional set of headers just has a 4 into 1 collector, where all primaries come together at one junction, with the tri-y's the 4 primaries first merge together to make 2 primaries, forming the first "2" y's, then those two remaing tubes merge together to form the diameter of your exhaust, thereby forming the 3rd "Y" in a set of tri-y's, they are good for scavenging, but so would a set of merge collectors, but if you are F/I like me, you don't need any of that fancy "expensive" bells and whistles, just give me some tubes to let this forced air out into the environment to promote global warming <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> . I'm pretty sure that for stainless custom headers, we are looking around 1300 to 1500 done and built, all tig welded with regular collectors, mild steel coated would be cheaper, but it is all preference, but i'll give him a call this weekend, and try to get some prices for everyone.
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Re: 1-7/8" to 2" stepped headers??? "Fits 98-03 F bodies only Built from stainless steel" -http://www.moreperformanceinc.com/
A little hopefull there aren't they now <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="gr_tounge.gif" />
A little hopefull there aren't they now <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="gr_tounge.gif" />
Re: 1-7/8" to 2" stepped headers??? </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by G2 LS1:
<strong>Guys, for what that header is, 2800 is cheap. The prices for stuff like that is only getting higher too. Its a Tri-Y setup, and not the cheapest to build. If you saw what it looks like inside, you would hate to even put them on a car. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Well first, it's $2900. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> And second, that's hardly cheap for what you get. And this stuff is getting cheaper, not more expensive. Look how cheap you can get headers for now when at first all you had were FLP's and SLP's that were $1300. I bet they don't hardly sell any of these because someone else will come out with a cheaper header that still has tri-y's. Yeah it's probably harder to make than a 4 into 1, but it's not $1000+ harder.
<small>[ November 24, 2002, 04:41 AM: Message edited by: Beeler311 ]</small>
<strong>Guys, for what that header is, 2800 is cheap. The prices for stuff like that is only getting higher too. Its a Tri-Y setup, and not the cheapest to build. If you saw what it looks like inside, you would hate to even put them on a car. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Well first, it's $2900. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> And second, that's hardly cheap for what you get. And this stuff is getting cheaper, not more expensive. Look how cheap you can get headers for now when at first all you had were FLP's and SLP's that were $1300. I bet they don't hardly sell any of these because someone else will come out with a cheaper header that still has tri-y's. Yeah it's probably harder to make than a 4 into 1, but it's not $1000+ harder.
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Re: 1-7/8" to 2" stepped headers??? </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Yeah it's probably harder to make than a 4 into 1, but it's not $1000+ harder.
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Don't be too sure about this Beeler311. When I personally built my stepped equal length long tubes with merge collectors it cost me $1076 total (w/JET coating) for all components with me doing all of the work and paying my brother-in-law $200 for the welding labor for over 60 full circle welds. The fact that my headers are mild steel and not stainless also factors in greatly here.
MORE's headers are stainless and use 3 merge collectors per side to a total of six. When you consider that no one is going to give these away for simply "cost" and once you figure in a reasonable profit margin per unit (they are not going to sell many of these due to the limited application) and amortorize the time and effort involved with the R&D effort their price isn't probably too far off the mark.
And in case you're wondering, here's what my premium quality 1-3/4" to 1-7/8" true equal length headers look like after JET-HOT 2000 coating:
<img src="http://home.earthlink.net/~bzdel/LS1HeadersC2.jpg" alt=" - " />
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Don't be too sure about this Beeler311. When I personally built my stepped equal length long tubes with merge collectors it cost me $1076 total (w/JET coating) for all components with me doing all of the work and paying my brother-in-law $200 for the welding labor for over 60 full circle welds. The fact that my headers are mild steel and not stainless also factors in greatly here.
MORE's headers are stainless and use 3 merge collectors per side to a total of six. When you consider that no one is going to give these away for simply "cost" and once you figure in a reasonable profit margin per unit (they are not going to sell many of these due to the limited application) and amortorize the time and effort involved with the R&D effort their price isn't probably too far off the mark.
And in case you're wondering, here's what my premium quality 1-3/4" to 1-7/8" true equal length headers look like after JET-HOT 2000 coating:
<img src="http://home.earthlink.net/~bzdel/LS1HeadersC2.jpg" alt=" - " />
Re: 1-7/8" to 2" stepped headers??? Tom, You are spending how much on that New motor of yours? Go Here And you can call them up and ask them how much they want for a full, one off set of Tri-Ys for your F-Body. Dont laugh either, cause for them to build that, its probably going to cost 4-5K for a set. Are they mass produced? Nope. Are they cheap? Nope. Are they made for everyone? Nope.
And Yes, hand fabricated, stainless headers welded in a pure environment are getting more expensive. why Do I know? From experience <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />
And Yes, hand fabricated, stainless headers welded in a pure environment are getting more expensive. why Do I know? From experience <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />
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Re: 1-7/8" to 2" stepped headers??? *Shrug Shoulders*
My 1 7/8 x 2" Steps w/ 3.5" collectors set me back $850, plus coating. Granted they're not stainless or Tri-Y.
Note this if for an LT1 car, so everyone doesn't start emailing me wanting to know where I got them LOL.
There are competent places to make custom headers everywhere. I'd expect a truely custom set built on my car to be ~1000. Add for Stainless, Tig welding, and add for extra Merge Collectors etc from there.
In short I wouldn't pay $3000 for headers. And I'm probably the king of spending on an F-Body. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />
Tom, given your location, I'd contact Kooks in New York www.kookscustomheaders.com
Good luck!
<small>[ November 24, 2002, 02:26 PM: Message edited by: KTamez ]</small>
My 1 7/8 x 2" Steps w/ 3.5" collectors set me back $850, plus coating. Granted they're not stainless or Tri-Y.
Note this if for an LT1 car, so everyone doesn't start emailing me wanting to know where I got them LOL.
There are competent places to make custom headers everywhere. I'd expect a truely custom set built on my car to be ~1000. Add for Stainless, Tig welding, and add for extra Merge Collectors etc from there.
In short I wouldn't pay $3000 for headers. And I'm probably the king of spending on an F-Body. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />
Tom, given your location, I'd contact Kooks in New York www.kookscustomheaders.com
Good luck!
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