Stock internals.. What's it mean??
 

Ok.. We are going to try this again.. I'm hoping that clears up the previous poll..



Only click on the items you feel you can put on your car and retain a stock internal status..



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Stock internals to me is stock pistons/rods/crank.

ugh.. this poll is still messed up

it should be the other way around..

click on items REQUIRED to claim "stock internals"

i.e. click on

Crank
Rods
Pistons
block
cam
rockers
pushrods
valvesprings

Thanks Dan.. I fixed it before it got very far.. I don't know why I am so flipping lame today...


But your post doesn't makes sense either by clicking on crank, pistons ect..



Only click on the items you feel you can put on your car and retain a stock internal status..

Same here but i forgot to vote on the Block :bang:.. Doesn't internals mean the inside of something in this case the engine? So stock internals means you have not changed stock parts out for upgrade aftermarket parts or ported or changed stock parts.

To me, stock internals means stock short block

Basically, with the exception of the cam.

This poll is still FUBAR'd.

It should be "check off what you think internal parts are"

Three things: Crank, pistons, and rods.

Valvetrain doesn't count, it's no big deal to change pushrods or rockers, or even the cam for that matter, and a cylinder head is not an internal part, so that doesn't count either.

I don't know what the confusion is, or why this requires 3 threads.

Internals = Crank, pistons, rods

And what's up with the results? 90% of people think that pushrods can be changed and still have a stock internal status, but only 60% for most common bolt ons?

The cam is definitely part of stock internals. Changing heads is not considered a bolt-on either, you can't change heads and still be considered only bolt-ons. You can port stockers, but you can't change them. Stock shortblock and stock internals are two different things, you can have a stock shortblock but not meet the requirements for stock internals.

If it requires constant oil supply to operate without wear, it's an internal. If too much rpm etc can cause it to break and the engine subsequently can't run without it, it's an internal. If it's a part of the combustion chamber, it's an internal

Cam and heads are internals as far as I'm concerned, along with the bottom end. I don't see how someone can think a cam or heads is considered and external bolt on.

"Stock Internals" for most of us that's been around for a while means stock long block (as it came from the factory) never taken apart.

A motor that has been apart and put back together using "stock" parts should have a different name. To cut the confusion, I recommend using something different, like "Factory Stock" for example.

I see a lot of people posting up that a cam swap and head swap retains stock internals. Since I have been on this site (almost it's entire existance) the understanding of internals refered to pretty much anything that touched oil (excluding the TB and intake due to the PCV system). Even the way the external engine forum label is writen:

http://73-ls1.com/untitled.JPG

It doesn't say anything about cam or heads. I'm wondering when this shift of cam and head swaps became "stock internals"

I'm wondering what people feel are internals these days..


Crank, rods, pistons are roating assembly and are deffinately stock internals.. IMO a cam, heads are internals. Even 1.85 rockers IMO are borderline since they change valve train both in lift and duration.

I can see that point and understand it well.
I just see the cam and heads as such a simple change to someone that is technically inclined, that I consider them not part of the "internals."
But what REALLY makes me LOL is that someone voted for Block.

I voted the opposite of what he wanted ;) I wanted to support the direction the poll was already going :lol: The block isn't an internal?

You have to open the engine to change a cam. It rides on bearings and requires a constant oil supply. It is tied to the crank with a chain, I think that's a big deal. . .:lol:

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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I fail, I read the title wrong.

In my opinion and from what I hear from other people at the tracks, there is Stock Block(long block) and Stock Internals.

Stock Block, allowed modifications:
Filter, Lid, Ram Air Kit, Ported MAF, Bellows, Throttle body, Intake, Electric Water Pump, Headers, Exhaust, Cut out, Pulley

Stock Internals, allowed modifications:
Filter, Lid, Ram Air Kit, Ported MAF, Bellows, Throttle body, Intake, Electric Water Pump, Headers, Exhaust, Cut out, Pulley, Cam, Lifters, Push Rods, Rockers, Valve Springs, Ported heads


FI is a whole different class for a car that did not come with it from factory.

FI Stock Block, allowed modifications:
Filter, Lid, Ram Air Kit, Ported MAF, Bellows, Throttle body, Intake, Electric Water Pump, Headers, Exhaust, Cut out, Pulley, Turbo, Nitrous, Super Charger

FI Stock Internals, allowed modifications:
Filter, Lid, Ram Air Kit, Ported MAF, Bellows, Throttle body, Intake, Electric Water Pump, Headers, Exhaust, Cut out, Pulley, Cam, Lifters, Push Rods, Rockers, Valve Springs, Ported heads, Turbo, Nitrous, Super Charger

Few examples:

#1 (stock block)
Larry: "Damn dude, what do you have done to that thing?"
Bob: "Just bolt-ons."
Larry: " No cam or heads?"
Bob: "Nah, still running on the stock block"

#2 (stock internals)
Frankie J: "I can't believe you are pushing that much power through the stock internals, you are going to blow that shit up."
Billy B: "Yea, then I will have an excuse to upgrade to forged internals."

Stock internals to me is anything under the valve covers.

stock internals mean that the inside of something that contains parts is stock like the inside of a rear end, transmission, motor and or things like that.

Stock Internals means exactly that...if it's inside the engine at all, its internal. If it's surrounded by metal and gets oil splashed on it, its internal. If you can't see the part when you open the hood without removing something, its internal...at least nothing major