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Jrp1978 02-20-2010 01:34 PM

Ms4 camspecs and drc!
 
I was just wondering anyone off hand had these specs and with that cam in a 402 with 11.2 compression what would drc be !

SSdimension 02-21-2010 02:42 PM


Originally Posted by Jrp1978 (Post 12922026)
I was just wondering anyone off hand had these specs and with that cam in a 402 with 11.2 compression what would drc be !

Magic Stick V.4 239/242, .649"/.609" lift

bww3588 05-05-2010 02:50 PM

does anyone have the actual specs for an MS4 besides the duration and lift. like the ICL and opening and closing points? basically everything on the cam card.

Squirts11 05-05-2010 04:14 PM


Originally Posted by bww3588 (Post 13287259)
does anyone have the actual specs for an MS4 besides the duration and lift. like the ICL and opening and closing points? basically everything on the cam card.

Lol. Yes, the LSA and ICL are both needed when configuring DCR.

bww3588 05-05-2010 04:16 PM

thats exactly what im trying to do. i was wondering how anyone was going to get the DCR without that info.

Sales2@Texas-speed 05-05-2010 04:27 PM

IVC is 50ºABDC for anyone wanting to do the calculations with the MS4. With 11.2:1 static, you net about 8.25:1 dynamic. 11.5:1 dynamic would get you right at 8.5:1 dynamic, for whatever that's worth to anybody.

bww3588 05-05-2010 04:29 PM


Originally Posted by Matt@Texas-Speed (Post 13287754)
IVC is 50ºABDC for anyone wanting to do the calculations with the MS4. With 11.2:1 static, you net about 8.25:1 dynamic. 11.5:1 dynamic would get you right at 8.5:1 dynamic, for whatever that's worth to anybody.

thats worth a million bucks to me Matt. thank you very much.

one more question, is that a .050 lifter rise?

bww3588 05-05-2010 04:30 PM

FWIW, im at 11.77 static with my current setup, just trying to keep it pump gas friendly with the dynamic.

Sales2@Texas-speed 05-05-2010 04:32 PM


Originally Posted by bww3588 (Post 13287765)
thats worth a million bucks to me Matt. thank you very much.

one more question, is that a .050 lifter rise?

Sorry, the 50º IVC is @.050. DCR is calculated using the .006" numbers.....the IVC @.006" is 74.5ºABDC.

bww3588 05-05-2010 04:34 PM

looks like im going to be at 9.24 dynamic. anyone want to check it for me...

4.030 bore
3.622 stroke
6.098 rod
.040 gasket
4.130 gasket bore
.005 IN the hole
3.2 cc valve releifs in flat top pistons
58cc head
MS4 cam installed straight up. (i have an adjustable timing set so i can retard or advance it as neccessary)

bww3588 05-05-2010 04:34 PM


Originally Posted by Matt@Texas-Speed (Post 13287785)
Sorry, the 50º IVC is @.050. DCR is calculated using the .006" numbers.....the IVC @.006" is 74.5ºABDC.

the online calculator i used wants .050 numbers but it askes for that value + 15 degrees for some reason...

bww3588 05-05-2010 04:36 PM

the only reason im using the 4.130 gasket is because i cant find anything smaller with the .040 thickness....unless someone can point me to one if that would be a better choice.

Sales2@Texas-speed 05-05-2010 04:38 PM

The ones that use the +15º use that as a basic approximation to get the event at .006" :)

Sales2@Texas-speed 05-05-2010 04:44 PM

We usually stock 4.035" bore .040" gaskets as well as some 4.060", 4.085", etc.

With about 11.7:1 and the IVC @74.5ºABDC it's saying (the larger bore gasket brings your SCR to about 11.65:1 or so), it's right at 8.5:1 DCR. That's assuming the cam and timing set are both perfect and not advances/retarded any....I'd degree it to make sure it's where you want it.

bww3588 05-05-2010 04:50 PM


Originally Posted by Matt@Texas-Speed (Post 13287840)
We usually stock 4.035" bore .040" gaskets as well as some 4.060", 4.085", etc.

With about 11.7:1 and the IVC @74.5ºABDC it's saying (the larger bore gasket brings your SCR to about 11.65:1 or so), it's right at 8.5:1 DCR. That's assuming the cam and timing set are both perfect and not advances/retarded any....I'd degree it to make sure it's where you want it.

i do plan on degreeing it anyways. would there be any advantages to advancing or retarding the MS4 at all? other than gaining PTV which i dont have issues with.

bww3588 05-05-2010 04:54 PM

im leaning toward the 4.085 gasket if it can be had in MLS form .040

Sales2@Texas-speed 05-05-2010 04:57 PM

If you've got the valve relief depth, and are happy with where the VE's lie, then there's no major advantage to advancing or retarding it from there and I'd let her ride.

We stock that Cometic 4.085"x.040" .

bww3588 05-05-2010 05:06 PM

sweet. ill be geting back at you when the time gets closer on the gasket.

Sales2@Texas-speed 05-05-2010 05:09 PM

Cool, let us know when we can help!

Sorry for the hijack, James!

bww3588 05-05-2010 05:17 PM


Originally Posted by Matt@Texas-Speed (Post 13287943)

Sorry for the hijack, James!

same here. appolagies.


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