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Intercooler2 05-03-2010 09:52 PM

Is it possible... good leakdown/good compression but leaks
 
A while back I posted about a noise I get from like 2500 RPM up when dropping the hammer. I really thought it was the gaskets on that side. Well nothing there!

We got rougly 210/220 PSI all cylinders.

Pumped up the cylinders and didn't get any notable leakdown.

I'm wondering if it could be poofing through the layers of the Cometic on the left side in the R's. I'm taking it to Fran's shortly to see if maybe an injector or something is causing knock.

Given good numbers could it still be a head gasket? Runs good other than in the R's on the throttle.

Intercooler2 05-05-2010 06:35 AM

Damn this must be a stumper!

Intercooler2 05-05-2010 02:26 PM

We scanned it and no knock.

Intercooler2 05-07-2010 12:12 PM

Where are all the shop gurus

garygnu 05-07-2010 12:48 PM

maybe a head gasket leak between cylinders?

Intercooler2 05-07-2010 02:28 PM

I hear this noise to the outside. Wouldn't a leakdown show leakage between cylinders?

hammertime 05-07-2010 07:37 PM

Motor problems... lifters, Cometics and unknown

Just read this too, and I'm :confused:

One thing - I did read that there were no bubbles in the coolant when you pressure checked it, but have you checked the coolant for combustion gasses? As indicated elsewhere, cylinder pressure will be much higher than pressure in the cooling system.

If you can't isolate anthing else at this stage, it may be time to pull the heads and check the lifters, reseal it, etc.

Good luck!

garygnu 05-07-2010 08:55 PM

you could have a header gasket leak also besides a head gasket leak.heads off.

Intercooler2 05-09-2010 04:00 PM

I changed the header gasket on that side and also the collector gasket. Could be a warped flange or something. We are swapping the cam this weekend so going to pull that header again and put a straight edge to it. Inspect it real good visually while it is out.

Usually you get a spike in the water temp gauge if you have hot gas going into the water jacket. None here.

hammertime 05-09-2010 08:31 PM

Well, at least when you get the cam out of there, you'll know if you have a lifter that is sliding on a lobe....

Once again, good luck!

Intercooler2 05-10-2010 08:29 AM

I hope we find SOMETHING. What happens when they slide and what causes it?

It's the hardest problem ever to find since it doesn't do it at all times and the car runs like it should.

hammertime 05-10-2010 06:49 PM


Originally Posted by 87silverbullet (Post 12729312)
My buddies WS6 had a slight valvetrain noise that got progressively worse over time, but were talkin months here. He was going to work and the noise became awful. We brought it back to his house and yanked the heads and it ended up being that the roller broke off the lifter and just the lifter was riding on the cam with no roller. It ended up ruining everything with the chewed up metal being everywhere. I think the roller stopped turning and was just sliding on the cam like a flat-tappet lifter then after time it finally broke off.


Originally Posted by ls2 bait (Post 12729810)
if you had a bad lifter you would likely know. and it would make constant noise. and likely a squeel when the roller locks up.

Both from your other thread. I also noticed this:

Originally Posted by dudeiwin86 (Post 12753560)
was it doing it before you 'recent dyno tune' ?

and your reply

Originally Posted by Intercooler2 (Post 12753658)
No. And I made probably 8 passes since then.

If that really is the case, either something mechanically let go when it was tuned, or the new tune may be causing detonation, as had been pointed out in the other thread.

Since your gaskets are weeping, you may be best off pulling the heads and looking for signs of detonation. You're going to have to fix that sooner or later, and if you do have an issue with detonation, you need to have the tuner address it before damage is done. While you are there, you can inspect the lifters to see what kind of shape they are in. Whether you pull the cam or not is up to you, as the lifters will tell you what you need to know.

I know you were going to swap the cam, but that really doesn't tell you much unless you find damage to one of the lobes. If that happens, your heads need to come off anyway...

Intercooler2 05-10-2010 08:41 PM


Originally Posted by Intercooler2 (Post 13287172)
We scanned it and no knock.

Guess you missed that part. We hooked it up and made WOT pulls on the road recording it and got no knock. That's real world.

Gaskets aren't weeping that can be seen.

hammertime 05-11-2010 07:59 AM


Originally Posted by Intercooler2 (Post 13311689)
Guess you missed that part. We hooked it up and made WOT pulls on the road recording it and got no knock. That's real world.

Gaskets aren't weeping that can be seen.

I guess if you can't find it on a scan, and adding race gas made no change, then you can rule out detonation...

At what point did you fix this? I read the other post from back to front and didn't see that you retorqued the head bolts anywhere.

Originally Posted by Intercooler2 (Post 12726646)
I had a post about what a failed/failing lifter has for symptoms but got little info. This stemmed from a noise I have picked up on going WOT of a knock/rattle you can mainly hear on the driver's side. One suggestion was to check the car underneath for the exhaust hitting, etc... It hadn't been changed at all from when I did heads/cam/intake but we put it on the lift regardless. Nothing found. Everything looked good and no shiny places like a new hit or anything.

What we did find:

- Driver's side head had ever so slight drip of coolant near the bottom/rear head bolt. I mean very slight. I know this isn't to out of the norm for Cometics sometimes. Should I be worried?
- Nothing abnormal looking in the flywheel area
- No oil in the water. No water in the oil

I'm beginning to think you may be right looking at the cam. If not there, then it must be some kind of exhaust noise.

Intercooler2 05-14-2010 11:15 AM

Okay so it is acting like my Buick did long ago with a head gasket problem. Today the temp spiked and it pushed out coolant. It's getting combustion into the radiator at certain higher RPM/Loads. So going to strip the heads off, notch the pistons and try again. Hope the block or heads didn't get flame cut.


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