What cam can geta car in the 11's w/a stock stall?
04-30-2011, 02:29 PM
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there is no cam capable of going 11.99 with a stock stall converter without a 3100lb raceweight in a 346.
the a4 i had went 12.1s @ 111 with a 4k stall and gears. had a 3500lb rw in 2200' da. stock trans and stock rear w/373s. both had over 80k miles on them when i sold it. i put probably 300 passes on them with half of those passes going 1.65 or quicker. i installed a transgo shiftkit (full race/high stall specs) the day after i bought the car, it was bone stock w/ 42k on it.
the trans and rear will both last if you don't do stupid ****. no 3rd gear burnouts and don't let it wheelhop; you'll be fine.
the a4 i had went 12.1s @ 111 with a 4k stall and gears. had a 3500lb rw in 2200' da. stock trans and stock rear w/373s. both had over 80k miles on them when i sold it. i put probably 300 passes on them with half of those passes going 1.65 or quicker. i installed a transgo shiftkit (full race/high stall specs) the day after i bought the car, it was bone stock w/ 42k on it.
the trans and rear will both last if you don't do stupid ****. no 3rd gear burnouts and don't let it wheelhop; you'll be fine.
04-30-2011, 04:06 PM
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there is no cam capable of going 11.99 with a stock stall converter without a 3100lb raceweight in a 346.
the a4 i had went 12.1s @ 111 with a 4k stall and gears. had a 3500lb rw in 2200' da. stock trans and stock rear w/373s. both had over 80k miles on them when i sold it. i put probably 300 passes on them with half of those passes going 1.65 or quicker. i installed a transgo shiftkit (full race/high stall specs) the day after i bought the car, it was bone stock w/ 42k on it.
the trans and rear will both last if you don't do stupid ****. no 3rd gear burnouts and don't let it wheelhop; you'll be fine.
the a4 i had went 12.1s @ 111 with a 4k stall and gears. had a 3500lb rw in 2200' da. stock trans and stock rear w/373s. both had over 80k miles on them when i sold it. i put probably 300 passes on them with half of those passes going 1.65 or quicker. i installed a transgo shiftkit (full race/high stall specs) the day after i bought the car, it was bone stock w/ 42k on it.
the trans and rear will both last if you don't do stupid ****. no 3rd gear burnouts and don't let it wheelhop; you'll be fine.
04-30-2011, 04:30 PM
#23
there is no cam capable of going 11.99 with a stock stall converter without a 3100lb raceweight in a 346.
the a4 i had went 12.1s @ 111 with a 4k stall and gears. had a 3500lb rw in 2200' da. stock trans and stock rear w/373s. both had over 80k miles on them when i sold it. i put probably 300 passes on them with half of those passes going 1.65 or quicker. i installed a transgo shiftkit (full race/high stall specs) the day after i bought the car, it was bone stock w/ 42k on it.
the trans and rear will both last if you don't do stupid ****. no 3rd gear burnouts and don't let it wheelhop; you'll be fine.
the a4 i had went 12.1s @ 111 with a 4k stall and gears. had a 3500lb rw in 2200' da. stock trans and stock rear w/373s. both had over 80k miles on them when i sold it. i put probably 300 passes on them with half of those passes going 1.65 or quicker. i installed a transgo shiftkit (full race/high stall specs) the day after i bought the car, it was bone stock w/ 42k on it.
the trans and rear will both last if you don't do stupid ****. no 3rd gear burnouts and don't let it wheelhop; you'll be fine.
https://ls1tech.com/forums/gears-axl...4-3-73s-2.html
04-30-2011, 09:23 PM
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then i shall stand corrected. it's hard enough clipping 11s with a stall, i never thought a stock setup like that would do so well. do you remember what the da was for those runs?
also, i have never heard of another car doing anything remotely close to what yours did with a stock stall. perhaps no one else gave it any effort.
also, i have never heard of another car doing anything remotely close to what yours did with a stock stall. perhaps no one else gave it any effort.
05-01-2011, 03:27 AM
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There has to be someone out there who has ran 11's on a stock stall and 346. I don't think its impossible, just very challenging. 6 tenths seems capable with a H/C swap. I just feel like there has to be cam with a wide enough power band to compensate for the converter dropping so much between shifts. Trust me, I want a stall. Im not gutting parts off my car to shave weight either. I like how clean it is. Im probaly around 3800 or so
Anyone set a record time a stock stall? Cant find one. Im finding a lot of doubts from you guys but someone has had to do it.
I feel like I could shave another tenth if I just got a tune to compensate for my ls6 intake and LT's. It needs one because its running slightly rich and has an idle at 550rpm.
Anyone set a record time a stock stall? Cant find one. Im finding a lot of doubts from you guys but someone has had to do it.
I feel like I could shave another tenth if I just got a tune to compensate for my ls6 intake and LT's. It needs one because its running slightly rich and has an idle at 550rpm.
05-01-2011, 09:20 PM
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there is no cam capable of going 11.99 with a stock stall converter without a 3100lb raceweight in a 346.
the a4 i had went 12.1s @ 111 with a 4k stall and gears. had a 3500lb rw in 2200' da. stock trans and stock rear w/373s. both had over 80k miles on them when i sold it. i put probably 300 passes on them with half of those passes going 1.65 or quicker. i installed a transgo shiftkit (full race/high stall specs) the day after i bought the car, it was bone stock w/ 42k on it.
the trans and rear will both last if you don't do stupid ****. no 3rd gear burnouts and don't let it wheelhop; you'll be fine.
the a4 i had went 12.1s @ 111 with a 4k stall and gears. had a 3500lb rw in 2200' da. stock trans and stock rear w/373s. both had over 80k miles on them when i sold it. i put probably 300 passes on them with half of those passes going 1.65 or quicker. i installed a transgo shiftkit (full race/high stall specs) the day after i bought the car, it was bone stock w/ 42k on it.
the trans and rear will both last if you don't do stupid ****. no 3rd gear burnouts and don't let it wheelhop; you'll be fine.
05-02-2011, 07:39 AM
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I dont think its so much that its impossible or unlikely, it just seems to me like it would take to much time effort and money to do it on the stock stall. Especially since if you put enough cam in it to do what you want and then put a stall in it, the cam is going to be mismatched with your stall.
Btw, dont quote me on this. But ive been told numerous times by numerous people, you arent going to 60' much better than 2.0-1.9 on the stock stall.
Btw, dont quote me on this. But ive been told numerous times by numerous people, you arent going to 60' much better than 2.0-1.9 on the stock stall.
05-02-2011, 09:39 AM
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then i shall stand corrected. it's hard enough clipping 11s with a stall, i never thought a stock setup like that would do so well. do you remember what the da was for those runs?
also, i have never heard of another car doing anything remotely close to what yours did with a stock stall. perhaps no one else gave it any effort.
also, i have never heard of another car doing anything remotely close to what yours did with a stock stall. perhaps no one else gave it any effort.
05-02-2011, 09:51 AM
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I dont think its so much that its impossible or unlikely, it just seems to me like it would take to much time effort and money to do it on the stock stall. Especially since if you put enough cam in it to do what you want and then put a stall in it, the cam is going to be mismatched with your stall.
Btw, dont quote me on this. But ive been told numerous times by numerous people, you arent going to 60' much better than 2.0-1.9 on the stock stall.
Btw, dont quote me on this. But ive been told numerous times by numerous people, you arent going to 60' much better than 2.0-1.9 on the stock stall.
click on the link on post 23 on that setup i was cutting mid 1.8s
its very possible op i could run 11s right now on stock cam if i took off my stall and i bet it would run 11.8s,but remember my raceweight now is around 3160
i will tell you that your setup is not gonna run 11s if your weighing 3800lbs on stock gears,thats way to much weight
05-02-2011, 10:39 AM
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You will need a stall to get in the 11s. Bigger cam will not help. Sticky tires will help a tad. You will spend a lot of money on the cam(ie chain,springs,pushrods,tune) and a bigger cam could hurt your stock tranny in the long run(you will spin it higher)
Heat kills the trannies. Get your car as light as possible,run a good cooller,deep pan and chain fluid monthly if you use the car daily. Once you feel okay with the trans install a 4K converter and with bolt ons in good air at full weight you should be able to do it.
Heat kills the trannies. Get your car as light as possible,run a good cooller,deep pan and chain fluid monthly if you use the car daily. Once you feel okay with the trans install a 4K converter and with bolt ons in good air at full weight you should be able to do it.
05-02-2011, 12:35 PM
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You will need a stall to get in the 11s. Bigger cam will not help. Sticky tires will help a tad. You will spend a lot of money on the cam(ie chain,springs,pushrods,tune) and a bigger cam could hurt your stock tranny in the long run(you will spin it higher)
Heat kills the trannies. Get your car as light as possible,run a good cooller,deep pan and chain fluid monthly if you use the car daily. Once you feel okay with the trans install a 4K converter and with bolt ons in good air at full weight you should be able to do it.
Heat kills the trannies. Get your car as light as possible,run a good cooller,deep pan and chain fluid monthly if you use the car daily. Once you feel okay with the trans install a 4K converter and with bolt ons in good air at full weight you should be able to do it.
A 6.0 build is going in next year and with that is the stall. I just want 11's with H/C.
Cam/pushrod package is just around the same price as a stall if not cheaper. Already have heads, and head gaskets, and springs, 40 for an LS2 chain, and 300 for a tune from my tuner, which is needed for a stall anyways...
Should I just send Patrick G a pm because ive looked at hundreds of cams and think a custom grind be perfect?
05-02-2011, 01:04 PM
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You think adding more power isn't going to be as hard on the trans as adding a converter...
Just put a kit on it if your so against getting a converter. Your going to gain far more ET from a 100 shot than you are a 220/220 cam with a stock converter.
Just put a kit on it if your so against getting a converter. Your going to gain far more ET from a 100 shot than you are a 220/220 cam with a stock converter.
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Exactly put some spray on it and go. Lock the convertor in 3rd and it will pull even better. 11.70's back in the day on a 150 shot with Mac mid length headers, MTI air lid, 3.42's and a stock 4l60e.
05-02-2011, 05:28 PM
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Here is a good question for the op also, how are you going to feel after you do a cam and get the numbers you want then do a stall when you finally get a transmission to hold up, and then realize you now have to go and buy yet another cam and valvesprings and do it all over again. Your trans may or may not last completely regardless of the cam. Just seems like a huge waste of time and money. If you are wanting to do it just to be different, try it with your heads and a Z06 cam.
Also I want to ask, why are you so abrasive to a stall? Even if the tranny pops getting the converter cleaned up is cheap, and a lot of companies offer a one time free restall, you could probably ask them to clean the converter under that offer.
With a stock stall and H/C/I you may get close, but when you hardly pick up any time out of the hole it is really hard to make it up on the back end of the track.
05-02-2011, 08:57 PM
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Im guessing you all can tell im stubborn but ill give you reasons why.
1. If the tranny goes, i dont want to waste a stall with it. I understand most companies re-stall but why waste it. Also if the engine makes more power, it is harder on the trans... but if the trans holds up to more power then it proves a stall can go in. At least the engine wont go and ill just get a reputable tranny.
2. 6.0 build on the side, if the tranny holds then its going behind it this winter project. Cam will be speced for that engine as well. Not worried about buying a new cam for it. Rather have 2 engines with 2 good cams
3. I like ego boosters like saying i built a n/a car no spray in the 11's to beat my friends camaro in running 12.6s on a stock stall.
With 4 tranny pulls in 6 months, im kinda tired of it. Let it get some good highway, drag runs and see how she lasts.
So with all that in mind and you guys understand my dilemma, then what cam?
I do have my buddies 04 z06 cam he said I could use (freebie) but I feel like that will be just a little better. Would it be close to my goals (at least shave 3 or 4 tenths in the quarter) My friend beat me to 12s, now I have to beat him to 11's. Anyone who knows the feeling of always whooping your friend or competitor knows how salty it is when they consistently beat you. He wont use a bottle so im not going to either.
help a ls1 beat a sbc, engine vs engine
1. If the tranny goes, i dont want to waste a stall with it. I understand most companies re-stall but why waste it. Also if the engine makes more power, it is harder on the trans... but if the trans holds up to more power then it proves a stall can go in. At least the engine wont go and ill just get a reputable tranny.
2. 6.0 build on the side, if the tranny holds then its going behind it this winter project. Cam will be speced for that engine as well. Not worried about buying a new cam for it. Rather have 2 engines with 2 good cams
3. I like ego boosters like saying i built a n/a car no spray in the 11's to beat my friends camaro in running 12.6s on a stock stall.
With 4 tranny pulls in 6 months, im kinda tired of it. Let it get some good highway, drag runs and see how she lasts.
So with all that in mind and you guys understand my dilemma, then what cam?
I do have my buddies 04 z06 cam he said I could use (freebie) but I feel like that will be just a little better. Would it be close to my goals (at least shave 3 or 4 tenths in the quarter) My friend beat me to 12s, now I have to beat him to 11's. Anyone who knows the feeling of always whooping your friend or competitor knows how salty it is when they consistently beat you. He wont use a bottle so im not going to either.
help a ls1 beat a sbc, engine vs engine