What's up with Comp Cams ?
There was one cam in that thread that was "reported" and it was reported to me. I talked with Jsteele about his issues and he did not press me for a replacement. Had he asked, I would of had it replaced on the spot. Heck I even said in that thread a month ago, "JSteele if it is found to be the cam please contact me and we will replace the cam." Did I not?
So why are you saying that no one was wanting to replace anyone's cam? I just had the other guy from FL(his name is jonathan I can't remember his screen name) cam replaced today.
I have had two customers with cams that whined. Both are being replaced. One was reported to whine a month ago. A month ago I said I'd replace it.
I just replaced the one that was brought to my attention a week ago.
Tell me again how it is that Comp/Tick isn't replacing the cams that are whining?
It sounds to me like Colt45's vendor needs to man up and help their customer like I did.
So why are you saying that no one was wanting to replace anyone's cam? I just had the other guy from FL(his name is jonathan I can't remember his screen name) cam replaced today.
I have had two customers with cams that whined. Both are being replaced. One was reported to whine a month ago. A month ago I said I'd replace it.
I just replaced the one that was brought to my attention a week ago.
Tell me again how it is that Comp/Tick isn't replacing the cams that are whining?
It sounds to me like Colt45's vendor needs to man up and help their customer like I did.
I'm not arguing that you aren't taking care of your customers here. I am arguing that not one vendor or cam company came in that thread to give any explanation as to why it was happening until Kip came to reply.
The vendor does need to help, but comp should also be well aware of this issue and not act dumbfounded when someone calls to report it. The way you describe it a few posts up, you're acting like they were/are 100% aware of what causes the issue, which I am arguing, did not seem to be the case at all.
The vendor does need to help, but comp should also be well aware of this issue and not act dumbfounded when someone calls to report it. The way you describe it a few posts up, you're acting like they were/are 100% aware of what causes the issue, which I am arguing, did not seem to be the case at all.
I'm not arguing that you aren't taking care of your customers here. I am arguing that not one vendor or cam company came in that thread to give any explanation as to why it was happening until Kip came to reply.
The vendor does need to help, but comp should also be well aware of this issue and not act dumbfounded when someone calls to report it. The way you describe it a few posts up, you're acting like they were/are 100% aware of what causes the issue, which I am arguing, did not seem to be the case at all.
The vendor does need to help, but comp should also be well aware of this issue and not act dumbfounded when someone calls to report it. The way you describe it a few posts up, you're acting like they were/are 100% aware of what causes the issue, which I am arguing, did not seem to be the case at all.
I sent an email to Billy@Comp a week ago asking him had he ever seen or heard of this issue. He mentioned that they had a few cams years ago that did this, but they remedied the issue. He was not fully aware of the issue until I brought it to his attention. The issue being your cam, Jsteele's cam and my other customer's cam.
I did not mean to sound like I am arguing. I apologize for that. I need to get some work done anyways.
I will leave this last post unless I feel something further needs to be addressed.
Any customer that is having an issue with a cam purchased from me, PLEASE contact me immediately. I feel I have always been extremely fair and done whatever I possibly can to help any customer of ours.
I feel that carries a lot of weight in this community and is something I value a lot. Lately I've become so busy I've worried my customer service has fallen off. Threads like these remind me even more why customer service is so important.
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I see Cam Motion is a sponsor now. I did not know that. I apologize.
Never paid much attention and I assumed(yea yea) that if Kip was a sponsor, he would post under his sponsor account. My mistake.
Never paid much attention and I assumed(yea yea) that if Kip was a sponsor, he would post under his sponsor account. My mistake.
This has become a ****-slingling fest from multiple sides. Some real knowledgeable people have posted in this thread. Use that good information.
All cam companies have issues. It's the nature of selling aftermarket parts to shadetree mechanics. Sometimes there are mistakes with the install, with the combo, or with the product itself. In those cases, QC is a problem. For a bad combo for the intended usage, sometimes the vendor is to blame for selling it or pushing a more race oriented part. Either way, I applaud any vendor who steps up trying to make any problems right.
But without anyone actually removing cams and diagnosing them, we're left with the type of bullshit in this thread.
All cam companies have issues. It's the nature of selling aftermarket parts to shadetree mechanics. Sometimes there are mistakes with the install, with the combo, or with the product itself. In those cases, QC is a problem. For a bad combo for the intended usage, sometimes the vendor is to blame for selling it or pushing a more race oriented part. Either way, I applaud any vendor who steps up trying to make any problems right.
But without anyone actually removing cams and diagnosing them, we're left with the type of bullshit in this thread.
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Let me be the first then.-- I have a comp cam that I put in about 9 months ago. Zero whine, zero problems, complete satisfaction. I will absolutely buy another comp cam when I build my 408.
The great thing about threads like this is the vendors show their true colors.
I wish the posts wouldn't be deleted, because you can certainly get a better read on a given vendor before spending your money on their parts.
This **** storm started because a vendor came in to help people in need and to spread his knowledge from 5 decades of experience (actual cam engineering experience,), then another vendor, who wasn't even being specifically targeted or directly insulted in anyway mind you, somehow took that personally.
Notice guys like Brian Tooley (also in this thread), who also sell comp cams exclusively, did not say one negative word and welcomed Kip and Cam Motion back to the board.
I wish the posts wouldn't be deleted, because you can certainly get a better read on a given vendor before spending your money on their parts.
This **** storm started because a vendor came in to help people in need and to spread his knowledge from 5 decades of experience (actual cam engineering experience,), then another vendor, who wasn't even being specifically targeted or directly insulted in anyway mind you, somehow took that personally.
Notice guys like Brian Tooley (also in this thread), who also sell comp cams exclusively, did not say one negative word and welcomed Kip and Cam Motion back to the board.
The great thing about threads like this is the vendors show their true colors.
I wish the posts wouldn't be deleted, because you can certainly get a better read on a given vendor before spending your money on their parts.
This **** storm started because a vendor came in to help people in need and to spread his knowledge from 5 decades of experience, then another vendor, who wasn't even being specifically targeted or directly insulted in anyway mind you, somehow took that personally.
Notice guys like Brian Tooley (also in this thread), who also sell comp cams exclusively, did not say one negative word and welcomed Kip and Cam Motion back to the board.
I wish the posts wouldn't be deleted, because you can certainly get a better read on a given vendor before spending your money on their parts.
This **** storm started because a vendor came in to help people in need and to spread his knowledge from 5 decades of experience, then another vendor, who wasn't even being specifically targeted or directly insulted in anyway mind you, somehow took that personally.
Notice guys like Brian Tooley (also in this thread), who also sell comp cams exclusively, did not say one negative word and welcomed Kip and Cam Motion back to the board.
I felt it was relevant to show in my experience with a CM grind how that was not true.
That is all. Everyone is entitled to an opinion. It was mine that Kip in some way(if you read his web site it's even more apparent how they feel about companies like Comp) insinuated Comp has bad lobe designs.
I sell Comp products so I felt inclined to defend them. You are entitled to your opinion and I respect that.
There was not one post from Kip or anyone else from Cam Motion bashing Comp or you, yet you attacked him and his company, completely unprovoked.
It was extremely unprofessional and is what I was getting at with vendors showing their true colors.
It was extremely unprofessional and is what I was getting at with vendors showing their true colors.
I disagree, but again as I said we're all entitled to an opinion.
I don't feel I attacked him. Attacking him would be what Bozz Hawg did. Calling someone names, cursing etc.
I felt I challenged his posts and you may see that as an attack. I see it as having a discussion about a highly controversial topic.
When you have a topic as controversial as this one, there will be strong opinions.
Anyone wishing to see the post I made I can email them the one post of mine that was deleted. There was nothing bad in it.
I don't feel I attacked him. Attacking him would be what Bozz Hawg did. Calling someone names, cursing etc.
I felt I challenged his posts and you may see that as an attack. I see it as having a discussion about a highly controversial topic.
When you have a topic as controversial as this one, there will be strong opinions.
Anyone wishing to see the post I made I can email them the one post of mine that was deleted. There was nothing bad in it.
Martin, you are making yourself look desperate by comparing a small cam with 1990s design against a larger cam with much more aggressive lobes and an updated tune. Trying to discredit a competitor like Cam Motion by bringing up old threads and old cam designs is a poor tactic for taking attention away from the the current issues people are experiencing with Comp Cams. This thread is about the issues and how to solve them. Trying to discredit a competitor (and board sponsor) with these tactics will not be tolerated. If you want to make a comparison between your cam designs and those of others, start your own relevant thread. They have no place in this thread. Being this defensive about your product will lose you more people than it gains. People don't want a cover up and they don't want a smoke screen. They just want the facts presented in a mature manner.
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Martin, you are making yourself look desperate by comparing a small cam with 1990s design against a larger cam with much more aggressive lobes and an updated tune. Trying to discredit a competitor like Cam Motion by bringing up old threads and old cam designs is a poor tactic for taking attention away from the the current issues people are experiencing with Comp Cams. This thread is about the issues and how to solve them. Trying to discredit a competitor (and board sponsor) with these tactics will not be tolerated. If you want to make a comparison between your cam designs and those of others, start your own relevant thread. They have no place in this thread. Being this defensive about your product will lose you more people than it gains. People don't want a cover up and they don't want a smoke screen. They just want the facts presented in a mature manner.
Updated tune? You don't think a car is going to need some tweaks after a new larger cam is installed?
I said in my post that was deleted that of course my cam would make more peak power because it's bigger. I admitted that off the bat. I pointed out that my bigger cam made the same under the curve power. That is all. It was insinuated the Comp had bad lobe designs and that was part of the whining problem. I felt I was addressing that by showing that a larger cam with good lobe design could match a smaller cam with a slower lobe design.
Kip said his slower lobe design is better and that it helps the whining issue. I felt I was being relevant to this statement.
I've now been jumped on by 4 people. I have not lashed back out aggressively to any of those. I've been polite, I've said that we are all entitled to our opinions and yet I'm attacked for it then said I'm attacking everyone else.
As I said, I apologized to Kip for sounding like I attacked him. I apologized for not knowing he was a sponsor.
I can admit when I'm wrong and it sounds like I am wrong for what I have posted. I apologize and will leave the thread.
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I didn't attack anyone. The only reason it's being said I attacked anyone is to make me the only person defending Comp look bad.
Updated tune? You don't think a car is going to need some tweaks after a new larger cam is installed?
I said in my post that was deleted that of course my cam would make more peak power because it's bigger. I admitted that off the bat. I pointed out that my bigger cam made the same under the curve power. That is all. It was insinuated the Comp had bad lobe designs and that was part of the whining problem. I felt I was addressing that by showing that a larger cam with good lobe design could match a smaller cam with a slower lobe design.
Kip said his slower lobe design is better and that it helps the whining issue. I felt I was being relevant to this statement.
I've now been jumped on by 4 people. I have not lashed back out aggressively to any of those. I've been polite, I've said that we are all entitled to our opinions and yet I'm attacked for it then said I'm attacking everyone else.
As I said, I apologized to Kip for sounding like I attacked him. I apologized for not knowing he was a sponsor.
I can admit when I'm wrong and it sounds like I am wrong for what I have posted. I apologize and will leave the thread.
Updated tune? You don't think a car is going to need some tweaks after a new larger cam is installed?
I said in my post that was deleted that of course my cam would make more peak power because it's bigger. I admitted that off the bat. I pointed out that my bigger cam made the same under the curve power. That is all. It was insinuated the Comp had bad lobe designs and that was part of the whining problem. I felt I was addressing that by showing that a larger cam with good lobe design could match a smaller cam with a slower lobe design.
Kip said his slower lobe design is better and that it helps the whining issue. I felt I was being relevant to this statement.
I've now been jumped on by 4 people. I have not lashed back out aggressively to any of those. I've been polite, I've said that we are all entitled to our opinions and yet I'm attacked for it then said I'm attacking everyone else.
As I said, I apologized to Kip for sounding like I attacked him. I apologized for not knowing he was a sponsor.
I can admit when I'm wrong and it sounds like I am wrong for what I have posted. I apologize and will leave the thread.
NOW... is this the evil empire you work for???? WTF?
