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badtransam97 Sep 29, 2014 03:27 PM

How are these #'s for cnc 243's?
 
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Rise of the Phoenix Sep 29, 2014 04:05 PM

Pretty decent gains there with a stock casting.

sbf Sep 29, 2014 04:56 PM

What size is the intake runners

96capricemgr Sep 29, 2014 05:08 PM

Flow numbers are a lot LESS the measure of a head than people think.

Might be great, might be ruined or anything in between.

If that price includes cores it may well be worth the gamble, or at least try to find a running engine result.

badtransam97 Sep 29, 2014 05:37 PM

Yep that price is good for the heads, and no core is required. Don't know anyone that has them, so hoping to get some info from guys on here.

codyvette Sep 30, 2014 10:06 AM

Please buy these and do a apples to apples dyno. We would all love for you to be the Guinea pig. LOL
If they make good power that is by far the best deal I have ever seen on a set of heads, much less 243's. I spend a lot of time budget part shopping. Please keep us updated.

farmington Sep 30, 2014 12:20 PM

please notice they have crap springs on them and they will have to be replaced unless you are using stock camshaft

redtan Sep 30, 2014 01:13 PM

I agree that you shouldn't really be basing your opinions on how good they are from the flow numbers. Those can really vary and even in an apples to apples flow comparison they don't always produce similar power.

Given that those are a no-name porter and with stock springs, I would probably pass at that price. You can easily find name brand ported heads on here used for around that price, which at least you know will perform. If those were say $6-700 I would take the chance, but not for $1200+ when you consider the need for new springs.

Always2Slow Sep 30, 2014 02:42 PM

On paper they look alright. I would want to see the flow numbers after .600 though and what the minimum cross sectional area of the port is.

HCI2000SS Sep 30, 2014 02:49 PM

For 2 grand you could go with some nice heads from a reputable name and/or porter.

Sales@Tick Sep 30, 2014 03:26 PM


Originally Posted by Always2Slow (Post 18453310)
On paper they look alright. I would want to see the flow numbers after .600 though and what the minimum cross sectional area of the port is.

Smart man.

redtan Sep 30, 2014 03:50 PM


I would want to see the flow numbers after .600 though
Why? How much is there to gain with good flow at .650 and above?

JakeFusion Sep 30, 2014 04:44 PM

Those midlift flow numbers look weak. I'm guessing they hog it out to hit 310cfm @ .600 and the midlift suffers.

badtransam97 Sep 30, 2014 05:15 PM

I have a set of stock 243's and he said he would cnc mine for 400, but still, I'd be out around $300 for springs. Oh well, so much for finding a diamond in the rough..

redtan Sep 30, 2014 06:35 PM


I have a set of stock 243's and he said he would cnc mine for 400
That is a decent price for just the labor even if they are not the greatest flowing heads. Most quality places charge over $1000 and these are not that far behind.

96capricemgr Sep 30, 2014 07:04 PM

$400 can't cover decent valve job, milling, cleaning, guide clearance checks and quality CNC work.

Just because someone can make a machine wave a tool around does not mean it is good work.

badtransam97 Sep 30, 2014 09:34 PM

I guess I'll be the test dummy since no one else wants to! For $400 plus another $100 for the valve job, I may try them. Gotta be better than stock 243 wouldnt ya think!?

Rise of the Phoenix Sep 30, 2014 10:03 PM

Good luck and make sure to report back.

96capricemgr Oct 1, 2014 04:45 AM

Do you know enough to be able to evaluate? Seen lots of good reviews of bad products over the years because the owner was inexperienced and didn't know what good actually was till later.

Sales@Tick Oct 2, 2014 09:51 AM


Originally Posted by redtan (Post 18453458)
Why? How much is there to gain with good flow at .650 and above?

I assume he wants to see how stable the head is. Port shape is primary, flow numbers are secondary.

Port shape influences laminar flow and if the shape is incorrect turbulence will occur and normally this happens at lifts around or above .600 with stock casting LS heads.


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