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*UPDATE: Hooked up fuel pressure gauge* Runing lean at top of RPM before shifting

Old 03-12-2018, 11:00 AM
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Question *UPDATE: Hooked up fuel pressure gauge* Runing lean at top of RPM before shifting

have not been able to setup my new laptop yet with hp tuners (old laptop crapped out on me). currently scanning via the torque pro app. the issue is that when I go WOT, the wideband will go lean gradually to like 13.xx and sometimes 14.x at top of the gear (2nd gear) and once it shifts to 3rd, the AFR goes back to normal around 12.x before I let off around 110mph. I had only done this 2-3 times so hopefully my motor's not busted . btw no knock retard occurred when I did the pulls.

currently running a used walbro 255lph fuel pump with ~15-20k miles (bought it from a member on here when it had 10k miles). no rewire (have one on the way). gtp injectors and fuel filter prolly has about 20-25k miles on it. I just replaced the wideband sensor to see if it was the sensor crapping out but was not the issue.

could a worn out alternator (original 151k miles) be a possibility because if the car would sit in the garage 7-14 days w/o driving it'll need a jumpstart (currently have a battery tender jr. to charge it on days of not driving the car).

could it be the fuel pump? I ask because my firebird did a similar issue on the stock fuel pump and once I swapped it out with a racetronix fuel pump it fixed the issue.

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What aboot fuel filter
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It was replaced when i bought it at 131k. Now has 151k miles. Should i replace it again?
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Can you hear any pinging?
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Is it not possible that the tune is off? Is this all of a sudden after its been fine or what? Put a fuel pressure gauge on the rail and see if it drops as RPM increases.
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No pinging from what i can hear. Tunes not off. The curve is linear. I even fattened up the 9.5k-10k hrtz in the maf table and still no change.
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Take a look at the pe as well
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I'm running OLMAF fwiw. PE is set at 12.6 across the table and PE enabled set at above 50% throttle.

edit-also new MAF was installed to see if it was it but it wasnt'. now i got a spare MAF lol.
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Originally Posted by fst100
No pinging from what i can hear. Tunes not off. The curve is linear. I even fattened up the 9.5k-10k hrtz in the maf table and still no change.
How do you know the tunes not off? A linear MAF transfer function doesnt mean its the correct airflow model for the motor. Again, was the AFR fine and there was suddenly a change or what? Battery voltage dropping?
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the AFR/tune was fine prior to the issue. the only major change I can think of is that I was getting a P0101 which was a variance that the MAF table was higher than what was in my VE table. once I adjusted the VE table, the P0101 was gone. do you think that may have something to do with this lean condition?

after the new maf I had to retune it again but was still getting the lean up top of the RPM.

checking the battery voltage is something I'm thinking as well. battery's fairly new but the alternator hasn't been changed since I owned it. I can uninstall it and take it to advance auto parts and have them test it if its able to maintain charging. thoughts?
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You said you're running OLMAF, so VE shouldn't care at all. Just a heads up though, you cannot just swap MAF's and expect to see the same results. The heater element inside the MAF's are not all identical and can screw AFR, especially at higher power levels.

1st thing I'd do is log battery voltage and look at fuel pressure and go from there.
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EDIT...Make sure you zero'd out the RPM threshold value so the ECM knows youre in MAF only mode.
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Originally Posted by ddnspider
EDIT...Make sure you zero'd out the RPM threshold value so the ECM knows youre in MAF only mode.
yea I retuned it after the new MAF. where is the RPM threshold table by chance?

I can scan for the voltage with my torque app and see what it looks like when I do a short pull sometime this week after this 3rd nor'easter flies by....
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I'm an EFI Live guy, so for me its in engine calibration>Fuel>Airflow> then B0120 RPM Threshold for airflow calculation. Basically this table tells it to look at the MAF exclusively for any RPM about what you enter into the cell. Below this RPM it will use the VE/MAF hybrid.
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thx. i'll look for it when I get my replacement laptop up and running. hopefully tomorrow or wednesday
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Anyone with hp tuners know what table ddnspider is referencing?
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Nevermind found it searching through the hptuners online how to. It is under airflow>dynamic>steady state>hi/lo rpm thresh
It was at at 2400. So i should set that to zero?
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If no one responds post up your tune and I'll find it.
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Edit....helps when I refresh the thread lol. Yes for olmaf set that to 0.
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Lol thx. Wish me luck. Ill keep this thread updated.

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