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Old 08-18-2018, 10:20 AM
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2002 6.0 truck is bone stock and as far as I can tell it’s the original engine with 364k miles. I bought it cheap because it needed a transmission and it has a **** ton of miles. A used trans got it on the road and it’s been reliable so far. A couple of weeks ago I’m cruising down the road at around 2200rpm and notice at first what I thought was an exhaust leak that’s not going away. So, I pull over with the truck still running, checking for where it’s coming from. No leaks, but it’s definitely internal. As soon as I noticed it, it goes away until yesterday. I’m cruising down the highway at 2400rpm and it’s back. So, I hit the service road with plenty of stop lights. Sure enough, it goes away. Both times it happened the oil pressure was “normal” about 50 on the gauge. Granted, I don’t know how accurate it is. The only other strange issue is occasionally on a cold start it won’t have oil pressure for not even the first minute of idle. It’s enough time for the display screen to display Check Oil Presure. It sounded to me like a rod noise, maybe an oil supply issue or it’s just worn smooth *** out. So, I was thinking of pulling the pan and checking the pickup O-ring, maybe a new oil pump or throw some Lucas oil stabilizer in it and keep running.
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It's probably worn out, but a new oil pump MIGHT add some life..... Plus run higher viscosity oil.
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I’m already running 20-50 oil
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That engine HAS had a good long life.... not sure there is much left..
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It’s prolly so full of sludge that it’s gonna need the pan pulled off and cleaned, pickup cleaned, and an oil pump. But as G said, it’s lived a long tired life. If it were mine, I’d do a total rebuild, but I’m picky.
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Originally Posted by che70velle
it’s prolly so full of sludge that it’s gonna need the pan pulled off and cleaned, pickup cleaned, and an oil pump. But as g said, it’s lived a long tired life. If it were mine, i’d do a total rebuild, but i’m picky.
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Originally Posted by G Atsma
That engine HAS had a good long life.... not sure there is much left..
Right! Dang, keep flogging that horse until it lets the magic out.

Pull that junk before you actually do real damage. Clean it up, put some new bearings and gaskets on her and place back in truck. Plan on new oil pump, timing chain, rings, cam bearings, std stuff like that.



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The oil system is HARDLY EVER the cause of a low oil pressure problem. Note that I did NOT say "never'; it can, and does, happen, esp in these motors, and esp on account of the pickup O-ring; but, if I were the betting kind (I'm not... I'm a university statistics professor in my spare time) I wouldn't bet on it.

I'm thinking your motor is just slap wore out. It's lived a long healthy productive valuable life, but its time is over. If it was me I'd be hitting the buzzard nests and lookign to pick em cleeeeeen of a nice low miles LQ9 short block out of some suburbanite aerobics / zumba / yoga queen's Escalade.
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Good news is I’ve got a spare 6.0 in the shop but it’s got almost as many miles on it. Looks like either way I’m in for a refresh.
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My crystal ball predicts a nicely rebuilt 6.0 is in your truck's future....
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I bought a used LQ9, INTACT, harness injectors intake TB and ALL, for $1650 the other day. Had just over 100k miles on it. Still had the factory cross-hatch on every sqmm of the cyl walls. Prolly never even been put into 4WD or used to pull a trailer or had the bed filled up (hehehe) its whole life.

NO WAY you can "rebuild" some wasted old construction site / landscaping / plow truck LQ4 for that, and get ANYWHERE NEAR as good results.

Just cut yer losses and replace it. Time to move on.
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I agree that the mileage would make it seem the motor would be worn out but I've seen these things have perfect cross hatch and lower end bearings at wellllll beyond 200k. So if anything it may just be a worn out oil pump.

But odds are against you with the mileage, and surely there's a few things in there that are on their way out any day, probably lifters, rockers and possibly cam bearings.

I'd be real interested to see how this goes if you do try slapping an oil pump on it.
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A friend got a 4.8 with 297k miles for a turbo build and decided to pull it apart to freshen up. The cross hatch was still good in the cylinders. He said if he'd know how good it looked inside he'd have ran it as is.

It might be interesting to see what some GM crankcase cleaner and a new oil pump accomplished if the OP decides to fool with it.
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I’m tempted to try a pump or roll some bearings in the bottom end since it looks like you can drop the pan with the motor in place. I’ve done it before and it’s not fun but easier than pulling the motor.
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Originally Posted by 4EyedTurd1
I’m tempted to try a pump or roll some bearings in the bottom end since it looks like you can drop the pan with the motor in place. I’ve done it before and it’s not fun but easier than pulling the motor.
Give it a whirl. Can’t hurt, plus you get to put your eyes in the crankcase to see if you have a real mess or not.
Front cover has to come off for oil pump, however. Be picky when putting oil pump o-ring and pickup together. It must be right.
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Originally Posted by 4EyedTurd1
I’m tempted to try a pump or roll some bearings in the bottom end since it looks like you can drop the pan with the motor in place. I’ve done it before and it’s not fun but easier than pulling the motor.
Pulling the oil pan is a pretty easy job on those trucks

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Give it a whirl. Can’t hurt, plus you get to put your eyes in the crankcase to see if you have a real mess or not.
Front cover has to come off for oil pump, however. Be picky when putting oil pump o-ring and pickup together. It must be right.

Yep, but at least the o ring is far easier to get right if you have the pan off and pickup tube fully unbolted.
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Pulling the oil pan is a pretty easy job on those trucks




Yep, but at least the o ring is far easier to get right if you have the pan off and pickup tube fully unbolted.
Correct and correct.
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Well, I put a Melling 10295 pump, timing chain and a new o-ring in it. I didn’t check any bearings because if I did I’d want to keep going. I could see a few cam lobes thru the front of the motor and saw some pitting on the center of the few lobes I could see but couldn’t feel anything with my fingers. I couldn’t tell a difference in the old versus new timing chain. The old pickup tube o-ring was still kinda soft, but I couldn’t see any tears or bad spots. I put some 10w-40 in it because that’s what I had, cold oil pressure is up from 40 to 60psi, warm it’s 50psi. I’m on day 2 and so far no motor noises.




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