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Old 11-26-2004, 02:51 AM
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okay... lookin on ls1speed.com and i cant tell the difference in the bare and complete heads patriot offers.. if i didn't know any better id think they were all bare, but i readin the dec 04 chevy hipo magazine that stage 2 came with there dual spring titanium retainers ect ect... so basically that would mean the stage 2 patriot heads/cam package that includes chromemoly pushrods would be all id need to install the cam and have ported heads!?!?!! sorry im a lil confused...

but while im posting this, this may be a very old question, but im spraying a 150 shot and i guess im going to go with a 224/228 114lsa cam? or would 112 still work with spray? someone told me i needed 114. anyways.. what compression ratio am i looking for 10to1 or 10.5 to 1 if i wanna run 93 or 95 pump gas??
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Their heads come complete with everything to install. I have them on my car and love them. I can't answer your question about the cam but i would say someone else could.
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fully assembled heads normally come ready to bolt on.....minus rockers and such.

The cam doesn't need to be on a 114, nitrous just responds better to a somewhat larger LSA. Having an A4 most people run a 114 LSA just for drivability purposes anyhow.

If you want to run 95 octane pump gas, you can run a heck of a lot higher than 10:1 compression, stock is 10.1:1 and the LS6 crate runs a 10.6:1 if I'm not mistaken. More compression = more power if all other things are done correctly.
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Originally Posted by cyphur_traq
fully assembled heads normally come ready to bolt on.....minus rockers and such.

The cam doesn't need to be on a 114, nitrous just responds better to a somewhat larger LSA. Having an A4 most people run a 114 LSA just for drivability purposes anyhow.

If you want to run 95 octane pump gas, you can run a heck of a lot higher than 10:1 compression, stock is 10.1:1 and the LS6 crate runs a 10.6:1 if I'm not mistaken. More compression = more power if all other things are done correctly.
Under high nitrous cylinder pressures, the less overlap the better so a 114 will respond a tad better over a 112. This is negligeable with 100 shots but becomes more pronounced as you reach 150. Beyond that you need as little overlap as applicably possible.
11:1 has been the general consensus where the LS1 fairs the best, but with nitrous, going higher is better, it just becomes more difficult to tune as detonnation becomes more evident.
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I ran a 224/224 on a 112 and sprayed it. No problems at all with a 10.8 CR on pump gas. Give Gunnar a call at Patriot or Tom at Speed Inc. Both will be able to help you out.
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word.. thanks a lot guys very very helpful.. will prolly go 10.5 cr.
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Originally Posted by cyphur_traq
fully assembled heads normally come ready to bolt on.....minus rockers and such.

The cam doesn't need to be on a 114, nitrous just responds better to a somewhat larger LSA. Having an A4 most people run a 114 LSA just for drivability purposes anyhow.

If you want to run 95 octane pump gas, you can run a heck of a lot higher than 10:1 compression, stock is 10.1:1 and the LS6 crate runs a 10.6:1 if I'm not mistaken. More compression = more power if all other things are done correctly.
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I doubt you will be spraying enough to ever have to worry about a cam's LSA.


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