Best low end torque cam for LS1..
08-10-2005, 03:29 AM
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Originally Posted by MikeMs01TA
Attached is a comparison of my dyno runs before the cam/headers and after. I'm running cats on my LTs as well. Mods are listed in the sig. I put the cam in before the LTs, and I noticed a nice increase in power everywhere. I was very happy with it 
It's the smaller CC212/218 cam, with .525/.528 lift I think? After I've had it awhile, I wonder if I would have liked the 216/220 cam better, but I've got no regrets 
I wasn't looking for max power, and I got exactly what I wanted! More power everywhere for weekend backroad blasts, and I can still cruise in 6th down to 45mph. Only tuning issues I had were all due to the LTs added later. Cat overheat was kicking in (the 352hp dyno run), and it seems to be running rich after the headers.
If I go with new heads later, I'll try to get a cam to match them that will just shift up my existing curve. I know I would hate driving some of the bigger cams I've seen graphs of, where they have nothing below 3000-4000!
It's the smaller CC212/218 cam, with .525/.528 lift I think? After I've had it awhile, I wonder if I would have liked the 216/220 cam better, but I've got no regrets I wasn't looking for max power, and I got exactly what I wanted! More power everywhere for weekend backroad blasts, and I can still cruise in 6th down to 45mph. Only tuning issues I had were all due to the LTs added later. Cat overheat was kicking in (the 352hp dyno run), and it seems to be running rich after the headers.
If I go with new heads later, I'll try to get a cam to match them that will just shift up my existing curve. I know I would hate driving some of the bigger cams I've seen graphs of, where they have nothing below 3000-4000!
08-10-2005, 07:58 AM
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If you have an Auto and wish similar results, use steeper lobes (XE-R) and no advance in the grind on a tight lsa.
Expl: 220/220, .581/.581 108+0lsa
this will help in MAF tuning and can always use SD nowadays. (nice lope too)
Expl: 220/220, .581/.581 108+0lsa
this will help in MAF tuning and can always use SD nowadays. (nice lope too)
08-10-2005, 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by blkZ28spt
I you havn't tried you'll never know for sure. This is like people saying they'd hate the looseness of a new converter when they don't have any experience with them. I just can't help but think that some people don't know what they are missing.
Originally Posted by DaddySS
That is a really nice result! Look at the gains at 3k and 5k RPM, nearly 40 lbs of torque - nice!!!
08-10-2005, 12:39 PM
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depends on what you want.......
I had the TR224/224 and loved it.....I never would have baught it but my first cam (a 230/236) wouldn't fit with my milled/large valve heads so I had to go with something smaller (I looked at the TR230/224 but it wouldn't fit).......in the end I am really happy I did the TR224......it gave really good power (400rwhp/385rwtq with HP peak @ 6200 and TQ peak @ 5200), had enough lope to sound like a cam, but still idles really nice even on a STOCK tune......I sold it to a friend and he loves it in his cam and bolt-on only car.......
I installed a TR230/224 in a friend's car and he loved it........it idles rough, makes good power, is more touchy on the tune than the TR224 but not bad......
there is no "best"........"best" depends on what YOU want the car to do (honestly........you can't say "I want a cam to make 500000000000 HP N/A and still idle like stock")...........
nobody ever says the TR224 is too big....if anything it is always too small........BUT....I have heard more people say the TR230/224 is too big than people have said the TR224 is too small..........
I voted for the TR224 because it is really an all around good cam......it is the upper limit of emissions (tailpipe) passable, it has enough lope to say "yeah...there is a cam", anybody can drive it, and it won't kill parts, all while making very respectable power..........now I personally went solid roller on my new engine (244/249)....it won't idle below 1000 (it "will" but you will be on the gas at every stop light) but I still think it is too small so I am by no means a "small cam person".........
depends on what you want.......
I had the TR224/224 and loved it.....I never would have baught it but my first cam (a 230/236) wouldn't fit with my milled/large valve heads so I had to go with something smaller (I looked at the TR230/224 but it wouldn't fit).......in the end I am really happy I did the TR224......it gave really good power (400rwhp/385rwtq with HP peak @ 6200 and TQ peak @ 5200), had enough lope to sound like a cam, but still idles really nice even on a STOCK tune......I sold it to a friend and he loves it in his cam and bolt-on only car.......
I installed a TR230/224 in a friend's car and he loved it........it idles rough, makes good power, is more touchy on the tune than the TR224 but not bad......
there is no "best"........"best" depends on what YOU want the car to do (honestly........you can't say "I want a cam to make 500000000000 HP N/A and still idle like stock")...........
nobody ever says the TR224 is too big....if anything it is always too small........BUT....I have heard more people say the TR230/224 is too big than people have said the TR224 is too small..........
I voted for the TR224 because it is really an all around good cam......it is the upper limit of emissions (tailpipe) passable, it has enough lope to say "yeah...there is a cam", anybody can drive it, and it won't kill parts, all while making very respectable power..........now I personally went solid roller on my new engine (244/249)....it won't idle below 1000 (it "will" but you will be on the gas at every stop light) but I still think it is too small so I am by no means a "small cam person".........
08-10-2005, 07:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Phil99TA
I saved this dyno sheet a few years back. The low end tq of this particular combination really caught my attention. I wish I knew the full details of the car.
08-10-2005, 10:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Phil99TA
I saved this dyno sheet a few years back. The low end tq of this particular combination really caught my attention. I wish I knew the full details of the car.
08-11-2005, 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Phil99TA
I saved this dyno sheet a few years back. The low end tq of this particular combination really caught my attention. I wish I knew the full details of the car.
Stock heads...405 hp 406 torque on that sheet. Maybe I'm stating the obvious...but no one else has mentioned it. Can anyone say what that cam would do on 106 or 108 LSA, rather than 110?
Originally Posted by DWillTA
Here is some threads I ran into while searching. You may have seen these, but if not hope they help.
https://ls1tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=96215
https://ls1tech.com/forums/generation-iii-internal-engine/79019-224-224-565-565-110lsa-106icl-comp-xe-dyno-graph.html
https://ls1tech.com/forums/generation-iii-internal-engine/72972-224-224-110lsa-106icl-cam-dyno-results-very-happy.html
These were posts orignally by dailyaluminumblock. He goes by a new name now. The links to the dyno graph are dead. Hopefully he can chime in and repost it up. From what I read that cam made 380 ft lbs of torque at about 2800 rpms.
https://ls1tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=96215
https://ls1tech.com/forums/generation-iii-internal-engine/79019-224-224-565-565-110lsa-106icl-comp-xe-dyno-graph.html
https://ls1tech.com/forums/generation-iii-internal-engine/72972-224-224-110lsa-106icl-cam-dyno-results-very-happy.html
These were posts orignally by dailyaluminumblock. He goes by a new name now. The links to the dyno graph are dead. Hopefully he can chime in and repost it up. From what I read that cam made 380 ft lbs of torque at about 2800 rpms.
Last edited by SauronWS6; 08-11-2005 at 01:34 PM. Reason: Stupid spelling mistake.
08-11-2005, 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by JL ws-6
That's an auto car... the converter multiplier is what you are seeing... if that was a stick car.. not only would the TQ be alot lower, it wouldn't even come close to coming on that early. Sorry to burst your bubble.
Originally Posted by DailyAluminumBlock
405/406 rwhp/rwtq on stock heads cam for sale
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I'm thinking of going with a different cam, custom numbers by me ofcourse. 224/224 568/568 comp cams xe cam 106icl 110lsa. This cam makes serious area under the curve and hella torque. The only reason I will be selling is to try something different.
Dyno Graph. Notice the area in the 2800 to 4000 range, about 380+rwtq. You could even install this cam with some retard and make more top end power.
http://members.aol.com/blueflame6469/images/dyno2.jpg
I'm asking 250 obo. Cam has approximately 10000 miles on it.
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Mods: Every bolton plus a thumpn' 224/224 565/565 106icl 110lsa comp xe cam
Wheels: ZR1s with nittos (315 in the back)
Dyno: uncorrected rwhp/rwtq, 415/417, corrected 405/406
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I'm thinking of going with a different cam, custom numbers by me ofcourse. 224/224 568/568 comp cams xe cam 106icl 110lsa. This cam makes serious area under the curve and hella torque. The only reason I will be selling is to try something different.
Dyno Graph. Notice the area in the 2800 to 4000 range, about 380+rwtq. You could even install this cam with some retard and make more top end power.
http://members.aol.com/blueflame6469/images/dyno2.jpg
I'm asking 250 obo. Cam has approximately 10000 miles on it.
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01 Pewter Hurst M6 (I'm not 70 yet, ha ha) SS #1215
SLP Options: Chrome 10 Spoke Wheels, Dual Dual, SS Grill
My Options: Wheels: 17x9.5 17x11 zr1 replicas with nitto 555 fronts and 555 extreme drags
Mods: Every bolton plus a thumpn' 224/224 565/565 106icl 110lsa comp xe cam
Wheels: ZR1s with nittos (315 in the back)
Dyno: uncorrected rwhp/rwtq, 415/417, corrected 405/406
Moser 12bolt, 33 spline, eaton posi, 4.11s
08-12-2005, 12:56 AM
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Check out the Vinci cam & rocker set-up.
I run a stage 2 (light) head, Vinici 1.72 rockers and the little 062 cam- .551/.551-210/218 LSA 112. Torque is excellent 2K-6K, power peaks at 6.3K at 425rwhp and 405 rwtq. Torque curve is atleast 350 rwtq 3k-6.3K!
These accelerated lift cams and rockers are under estimated...If i did it all over again, i would look at the Boos 2 cam .551/.551 216/224 lsa 115. should have similar torque as 062 but with a bit more HP.
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I run a stage 2 (light) head, Vinici 1.72 rockers and the little 062 cam- .551/.551-210/218 LSA 112. Torque is excellent 2K-6K, power peaks at 6.3K at 425rwhp and 405 rwtq. Torque curve is atleast 350 rwtq 3k-6.3K!
These accelerated lift cams and rockers are under estimated...If i did it all over again, i would look at the Boos 2 cam .551/.551 216/224 lsa 115. should have similar torque as 062 but with a bit more HP.
Later
08-13-2005, 12:35 AM
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If you are simply looking for your car to pull harder, leave the cam alone and re-gear it with 4.10's (3.73's for the Auto). That will give you the equivalent of a 80 hp feel in the pull and tons of low end torque.
08-13-2005, 08:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Spinmonster
If you are simply looking for your car to pull harder, leave the cam alone and re-gear it with 4.10's (3.73's for the Auto). That will give you the equivalent of a 80 hp feel in the pull and tons of low end torque.
08-13-2005, 09:05 AM
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I think what he meant is shorter gears will make you reach your powerband quicker, therefore taking away some of the sluggish feeling that one may have with longer gears. (SOP feeling like you have more power, but you really don't, actually you'll have less )
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08-13-2005, 10:32 AM
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I've narrowed my choices to the following 4 cams for a daily driver, keeping 3.23 gears with 3600 rpm stall TC 2.1 STR. Street driven only and trying not to lose to much low end grunt. Not after peak HP numbers, just wake up an already decent engine.
222/224 0.566/0.568 112
220/224 0.530/0.534 112
224/228 0.534/0.537 112
220/224 0.551/0.551 114
222/224 0.566/0.568 112
220/224 0.530/0.534 112
224/228 0.534/0.537 112
220/224 0.551/0.551 114
08-15-2005, 12:50 AM
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Originally Posted by blkZ28spt
Hate to burst your bubble, but gears will NOT give you what feels like an 80hp difference. 80 hp (or rwhp, as that's what we deal with) would drop ET by 0.8 and add 8mph (on average), where gears won't drop more than a few tenths max.
Did you feel like you needed to say it like that? Grow up.
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08-15-2005, 09:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Spinmonster
Did you feel like you needed to say it like that? Grow up.
I said
Hate to burst your bubble, but gears will NOT give you what feels like an 80hp difference. 80 hp (or rwhp, as that's what we deal with) would drop ET by 0.8 and add 8mph (on average), where gears won't drop more than a few tenths max.
I was sure to make my point, after all, the statement about 80 hp feel from gears is grossly wrong.