theredone

I have a 2000 camaro z28 m6

Bolt ons-
Fast toys ram air cai
lid
ported throttle body
ls1 intake (stock)
mac headers (ported)
dual 2.5" exhaust sweet thunders


If I add the the tsp magic stick or torquer cam would I lose low end or gain some low end?

I'm looking for a big cam that give me across the band power gains not just top end, I will get a mail order tune and raise the limiter to 6,600 rpm on stoxk bottom.

Just for street fun not racing at track.

zracer28

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With "large" cams you generally lose some low end torque. There are many smaller cams that produce very good torque down low as well as very impressive peak hp numbers.

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If you go with a "large" cam it would be in your best interest to get a good set of gears, i.e. 4.10s. to make up for some of your lost low end.

theredone

would I lose stock low end torque?

OR

Just not gain much low end torque?

Which cam would you suggest for max gain across the board?

I'v search for along time but still can find the ONE!!!!

Maybe:
TSP magic stick
FM13
TSP Torquer 2
But these I guess need 4:10 gears and do not make low end power????

99blancoSS

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You will loose the facory feeling low end torque with a big cam yes. Look into the tr224 fm13 and such... the 224 will give you torque quicker but the fm13 will give you more hp up top

theredone

wow, I had no idea that I would lose low end power with big cams. The fm13 looks good.

Theres no big cam that will gain low end?

Bryan @ Speed Inc.

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not really... that's the trade-off. if you want to gain torque across the board, and/or gain low end... then stick to a small cam like a 212/218 on a 114lsa. i think those are good "accross the board" cams.

blkZ28spt

The mid range and top end you gain with a large cam is, IMO, well worth the low end. I wish I had a manual so I could compare the power output at low rpms, but I really don't think you'll actually lose power from about 2k up, and nobody needs to make power below 2k. 4.10's, moderate-large cam and an LS6 intake will really wake that car up.

theredone

what cam would let me keep my lowend I have now but give me more top end?

I really want a big cam, but I don't want to lose my torque!!!

blkZ28spt

If you really get into it you will lose some torque somewhere down low going any larger at all. Smaller cams make power lower, which is torque. Big cams make more power higher, which is horsepower. People who are intent on keeping torque down low usually get something like the TR224. If you really want your low end, I suggest looking into a single pattern 224. (ie 224/224 .563/.563 114) You can still put up some impressive numbers all the way to 6k with one of these.

theredone

I was thinking tsp torquer 2 or fm13 with 4:10 gears?

99blancoSS

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You didnt mention 410 gears in your post. Are you going to buy a new rear-end? If not you might want to re-think it., research 410's in a stock rear.

blkZ28spt

What he's getting at is that 4.10's + stock rear =

More so if put ANY kind of a sticky tire on it, or try to launch it from a dig. Even on street tires it can happen.

theredone

no stickies, just regular tires

theredone

I plan no extreme hard launches

blkZ28spt

Just so you know, it wouldn't even take an extreme hard launch. They break with stock power and street tires sometimes. You should be okay, but no guarantees.

DONAIMIAN

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Dont worry about your low end, jsut get a cam and I promise you the first time you floor it your gona be "who the hell needs low end." I have a cam in my car and a mustang driver behind the wheel and gave it some gas in 6th gear to pass someone on the freeway and was impressed with the power I had there, so if you do miss the low end, just think how mustangs dont even have that much to start with.

SideStep

You can keep what low-end TQ you have now (maybe get a little extra) and have more power up top. I have done it with my last two cams...

Factory I made 295-300rwtq at 2000rpms (all SAE). When I went to the F13 (as a complete H/C, bolt-on car) I made 310-315rwtq at the same 2000rpms AND 438-439rwhp at 6100rpms. It is going to depend on how much tuning time you are willing to put into it... AND having every bolt-on made!!! I have 80 dyno pulls now and hundreds of late-night, deserted road WOT sessions for tuning...

I just changed to a bigger 232/234 .595/.602 114lsa+1 cam. I still made 300rwtq at 2000rpms but I picked up 11hp at top for 450rwhp at 6500.

I guess what I am trying to say is you can at least keep what TQ you have down-low...

lilbuddy1587

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You will NOT lose factory low-end, PERIOD. My car made 318rwtq @ 2000rpm with a G5X3, and thats a plenty big cam. There is no need for much more power then that down low on the street(which is what you seem to be after) or even on the track at times, unless you want to be blowing your tires off at the launch(m6). Now, onto the 4.10's, they are not as "glass" like as everyone seems to believe. Sure, they break with stock power and street tires...WHEN YOU DROP THE CLUTCH @ 5K. Hell, that'll blow the stock gears to ****. If you decide on a bigger cam, dont be afraid to add 4.10's as you will be just fine with street tires or a drag radial. You can even launch on the drag radials as long as ur not trying to dump the clutch @ 4-6k rpms. It also depends on who sets up your gears, and how tight they knash them.

skippytheloon

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at 3krpms I gained about 30tq with mine. If you lose any it will be around 1-2k rpms, insignificant, and your car will still have more tq there than most other cars on the road at those rpms.