When people talk about DD's .......
 

When you have a DD and you want heads and a cam, and you would like to get a set of Dart heads, what cam would compliment the heads and your 3600 stall? I have already sacraficed some drivability with the stall, would a 233ish/237ish .59?/.59? cam and the heads make the drivability worse than it is now? I'm cool with the way my car is now and I am willing to lose a little to gain a little more. I don't care about 1/4 mile as much as on the street.

I've reached the point in modding where I have some decisions to make about which direction to take it. Turbo, SC, heads and a cam....... Anyone got some advice, ideas?

With a larger cam it all comes down to tuning. If you get a great tuner to tune your car, then you shouldn't have to worry about driveability. You sound like your on the right track with the size of cam your looking at, something around that size should complement those heads and stall pretty well. I don't know what all your looking at for the heads but just keep an eye on the P/V clearance.

As far as turbo,sc,heads/cam, that's personally up to you and depends on what your looking for out of your setup. All of those act differently and give different characteristics to your car.

keep in mind that 23x and larger cams will lose noticable low end torque and youll have to spin them fairly high to make max HP. Gears would help here.

232/234 cam in my dd. m6 with 4.30 gears

well 4.30 gears are not fun to frive thru stop and go traffic....

If you want a really nice DD h/c set-up, go with some LS6 ported heads and a 228/232 cam.... you will have some nice power, but you low-end power wont be dead.... some 3.73 gears will help to

I think the most daily driven streetable setup is a set of AFR 205 heads and a 224 or 228 sized cam. Another good option would be a set of small bore AFR 225's and Patrick G's torque cam (this combo made some crazy numbers). Both of these would give you awesome power under the curve and decent peak numbers along with great drivability.

With a 231/237 sized cam or similar you are going to lose a lot of low end grunt. Granted, you will make it all up in the higher RPMs, but you said you didn't care about track times. You are wanting power under the curve and I don't think you will see a lot of that with that cam (unless you can get some good DCR with whatever heads you are wanting to run).


If you are looking into taking your car to the next level down the road, you could also look into what I am doing. I am building my 346 with parts that could swap over to an iron block 408. Big cam, ETP 225s and a 90/90 or Victor Jr. intake. But again, it all depends on what you consider "drivable". This is my daily driver and I wouldn't have it any other way!

Im pretty happy with my setup listed below, you may just more cam than I have though!

I don't feel I lost any low end torque over the stock cam with my Comp 232/234 .595/.598 112+2. It starts to pull at 2200 to 2400 rpm and goes clear to redline.

I agree that a smaller cam may produce "more" low end torque than I do, but I did not lose anything down low coming from the stock camshaft.

This is with stock 3.42 gearing. Soon to be 4.30's :devil:

Dave

Well, I have a very small cam by comparision (guess I am cam challenged :jest:) but the setup makes great power low for street fun and the torque curve is very flat. It was exactly what I was shooting for when I started changing things. Any further changes would only be to raise the whole curve, not just the upper end as the car rarely goes there on the street and I don't track it. Guess it all depends on how you drive and what you want the car to do.

Would you suggest p/p 5.3 heads over the darts? Sounds like for the cam in my application I'd be better off with 228-234 ranges--Staying away from the high 30's on the ex. side. I'll need some 30lb injectors too I guess. With those, do I need anything else like a new pump or regulator? (I'm half retarded when it comes to a fuel system-all my exp. is with carbs).

Thank you all for posting. You are helping me get a better idea of what I need.

If you are going to do heads also then you need to make that choice first then get a cam to match them. If money is a concern I would recommend the TSP LS6 heads. Have heard good things about them and they compliment a 228/230 cam perfectly.

Dave

Now of course I'd like to get it done for as cheap as possible, but I also understand that if I don't have quality parts, it's all for nothing. I'd LIKE some AFR 205's, but would settle for something a bit cheaper. If a dart head or pp 5.3 head would be comprable for less money with quality components, I'd definately lean towards the set that would save me 500 bucks. I don't really know much about the TSP LS6 heads. I'll have to do some research on those.

Does that seem like a good match for a 3600 stall? I'd like everything to work well together and since I have nothing under 2500rpms at all, might as well go for bigger, right? I don't know :confused:

TSP 5.3 stage 2.5r heads with a bump in the compression (call TSP), matched to their 228r cam and your stall would be a great street combo. I'd throw on an LS6 intake, ported TB and UD pulley and you'll be pretty set.

Another option would be the out-of-box Dart 205s milled with a cometic gasket and the 228r cam would be another great option.

If it were me, I would save for the AFR 205s or small bore 225s's OR a set of ETP 215s. You'll always want more and I would only want to do heads once!

i think any cammed m6 car is not fun in traffic, especially with a firm clutch. dont bother me tho

Hmmm....define DD :) I DD my car.. big cam, ETP 225 heads, 11.46:1 scr/ 9.43 dcr, TH350 RMVB, transbrake and 4k stall w/ 3.50 geared 9". I love it. With a larger stall I dont know anything about down low torque..this bitch snaps to 4k so quick its funny.

I hear that. My stall has to be underrated. I think it really stalls at about 4200 which is wierd for the 3600 rating. I've heard a lot of other guys say the same about their Vig's. My tuner said the same thing. What is low end going to do for me if I don't have it? :)