head/cam into the 10's???
 

what do you guys think? i know some of you houston guys are there. what's it take? i wouldn't mind being 10.90's on heads/cam and then i'll spray my way a little lower. thanks for any advice? this is an automatic car. i know there's more needed, but this is what i was thinking for a beginning...

heads/cam
custom programming
SLP LT's with dual cutouts on the y-pipe
SLP Loudmouth
3.73's
ST3800 ?
Full set of HAL/QA1 shocks/springs
E.T. streets
ASP Pulley

is the gearing ok to go along with a 100 shot? or will i be spinning the motor too high? i also have a set of 28" slicks, that should help out with the spinning the motor too high, but will it be enough?

edit-thought i'd add the suspension stuff in there too

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Re: head/cam into the 10's???
 

easy.

Full weight even....

GTP heads, Solid cam <img src="gr_stretch.gif" border="0">
programming
FLP's (you can switch cats...good for daily car)
quiet catback --for cruising
3.73's
Built 4L60E with a YTP4400


Ryan

Re: head/cam into the 10's???
 

i'm just worried about that large of convertor with nitrous to begin with. the FLP's with stock cats sound like a good idea too. maybe have to sell the loudmouth and go with a Hooker cat back if that'll tone things down a bit. trying to stay with a hydraulic cam though. thanks for advice!!

Chris

Re: head/cam into the 10's???
 

[quote]Originally posted by RyanJackson:
<strong>easy.

Full weight even....

GTP heads, Solid cam <img src="gr_stretch.gif" border="0">
programming
FLP's (you can switch cats...good for daily car)
quiet catback --for cruising
3.73's
Built 4L60E with a YTP4400


Ryan</strong><hr></blockquote>

Hey, that sounds familiar! Where have I heard that setup before... <img src="gr_stretch.gif" border="0">

Re: head/cam into the 10's???
 

[quote]Originally posted by SpeedDemon:
<strong>

Hey, that sounds familiar! Where have I heard that setup before... <img src="gr_stretch.gif" border="0"> </strong><hr></blockquote>

yeah, you got me thinking alright.....

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Re: head/cam into the 10's???
 

so anyway.


uh...

PYE3600, 3.73, built tranny...ARE/MTI stage 2 heads and cam...any will do but get the tuning down...normal boltons...longtubes....10's.


Ryan

Re: head/cam into the 10's???
 

i actually have a TH350 that's ready to go in if i choose that method, but then i lose some driveability, and i want to keep this a decent street car, not perfect, but decent. <img src="gr_stretch.gif" border="0">

chris

Re: head/cam into the 10's???
 

with the TH350 you could easily get a ~3500 stall built for like $450. no more yank prices <img src="gr_tounge.gif" border="0"> that combo should work. i still do a solid if i were you. just to make sure you can get 10's on a nitrous safe setup. i mean with nitrous i mind mickey only went 10.44 with his solid roller moster. if it were gonna be an all out na motor he probably woulda hit nines on motor.


Ryan

Re: head/cam into the 10's???
 

what is involved in going with a solid roller setup? what do i gain by going with that?

Chris
edit-or do you mean a regular solid cam, like in the old big block's?

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Re: head/cam into the 10's???
 

MTI Stage 2 heads, Hammer cam, ASP pulley, custom tuning, FLP's, Some suspension work, E.T. Drags. Yank 4L60E and their TP4400. It's all in the launch.

Solid roller? Man that is an expensive swap. I have thought about it. Looked up the cost and ran sceaming from the room. <img src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" border="0">

Re: head/cam into the 10's???
 

[quote]Originally posted by Raughammer:
<strong>Looked up the cost and ran sceaming from the room. <img src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" border="0"> </strong><hr></blockquote>

LOL!

<img src="gr_grin.gif" border="0">

Re: head/cam into the 10's???
 

hey john, do you still have all your weight reduction done to your car to get your numbers, or is some of the stuff back in? i can't get too silly with pulling stuff out of the car as this is my daily driver. funny thing is i have t-tops, and my a/c is still in the car, and i live in WI. go figure. although it's like 50-60* the past week

Chris

Re: head/cam into the 10's???
 

Don't even think about running a N20 shot on car like that. If you are looking for 10's on Stock bottom end, you are gonna need a TP4400 or the like. Tp4400's and nitrous don't mix too good on that kinda combo <img src="gr_stretch.gif" border="0"> I ran GTP Stage II heads, AMS cam, mac shorty headers, TP4400, stock tranny....3475 weight! No stripper here...still had interior and such. Ran 10.94@123.50MPH!!! Not bad mph for an a4 car @ 3475#'s <img src="gr_stretch.gif" border="0">

Chris

Re: head/cam into the 10's???
 

hey thanks chris.

if i went with that converter, the tp4400 or such, i wouldn't spray it. there was already a post about mixing those two <img src="gr_stretch.gif" border="0"> the other day. anyways, i'd be happy with 11.1-11.3's with a St3500 or 3800. then i'd have a little more room to spray to get down into mid-high 10's. although i am wondering if i shouold just ditch the spray idea and go for mid-high 10's n/a. thanks again.

Chris

ps-how much is a solid roller conversion? and what is all needed?

Re: head/cam into the 10's???
 

I only count 4 cars in the 10's out of 12 still using the 346..You'll need some serious weight reduction in my opion..Good Luck Chris <img src="gr_stretch.gif" border="0">

Re: head/cam into the 10's???
 

re: solid roller conversion....call Thunder Racing. they will soon be selling 'packages'

round figures:
T&D rockers- 850
lifters- 300
SAM valve cover spacers- 250

You'd have to buy spings and pushrods anyway so its hard to throw those in the cost of a solid roller persay. YOu will need 5.3L plug wires unless you want to relocate the packs. the cam itself should cost more, nor should the springs if you were thinking about getting double springs anyway. same with the bigger pushrods.


a solid roller is a waste in some instances with a stock bottom end. but if you want 10's with a 3800 stall or the PYE3600 that i mentioned. BIG power will help.


Ryan

Re: head/cam into the 10's???
 

I tend to take an ass backwards approach to this. Set up your suspension first, get the car to launch hard, then worry about the power. With a 12 bolt & slicks, carpet in, I figure a 11.5, and with a head & cam I'm thinking at least high 10's. Throw a 200 shot on there & 9's are right around the corner. Set up the suspension, and get the weight to a point that you can live with & then work from there.

Re: head/cam into the 10's???
 

Black Sunshine (sorry don't know your name) brings up a good point....I really like his approach as well as some others that did the same thing. traction and weight are the big factors...you can make power by your choice...heads/cam, nitrous, blower, whatever but get it to hook and real light first then go <img src="gr_grin.gif" border="0">

Re: head/cam into the 10's???
 

[quote]Originally posted by BradWS6:
<strong>I only count 4 cars in the 10s out of 12 still using the 346.. You'll need some serious weight reduction in my opinion... Good luck Chris.</strong><hr></blockquote>

-Chris we are racing at 700-800 elevation and we take a hit for that and the normal DA we see. We do get good barometer on occasion.
-I have not seen or heard of local 346ci car doing better than 11.5, so I think you have your work cut out for you.
-Roy has run 11.88 with nitto's and bolton's, so I can see a dialed in car running 11.4's maybe a wee bit better but I think that you will need to remove 300 lbs from the car. Your car stock is like 3400 + you.
-I think those 28" slicks you have are too tall unless you plan to run more gear. I cut a 1.53 in my car and went thrut the traps at like 6200-6300.

Re: head/cam into the 10's???
 

If chris marsh can run a 10.94 with no major weight reduction; what makes you think it is necessary to remove weight to run a mid 10? I mean with a lil better tuning, and a few minor tweaks, and possibly light weight reduction; the car would easily gone mid 10's. All you need is a healthy heads/cam setup, decent size stall, and a good track day. Just my .02 <img src="gr_images/icons/cool.gif" border="0">